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Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2015 3:04 a.m. PST

We wargamers appreciate that even on real battlefields, the dice may not favour even a commander with virtually decisive advantages.

Military history is replete with examples of surprise results, when the underdog gains an unlikely victory. A "lucky" victory or two & the campaign may well be won.

Which do you think the most surprising results?

1. The Greeks winning the Persian Wars.

2. The Colonials winning the American War of Independence

3. The Texans winning The Texas Revolution

4. The Japanese winning the Russo-Japanese War

5. The Israelis winning the 6 Day War

Feel free to add others.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Mar 2015 3:06 a.m. PST

German East Africa in WWI (well, not quite a victory…)

Martin Rapier11 Mar 2015 3:56 a.m. PST




The 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Mar 2015 4:26 a.m. PST

David and Goliath
Monitor vs Merrimack/Virginia
1st Bull Run
Rorkes Drift

Ewan Hoosami11 Mar 2015 4:40 a.m. PST

Long Tan
Battle of Yavin

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2015 4:56 a.m. PST



Deucey11 Mar 2015 5:06 a.m. PST

First Crusade.

Winston Smith11 Mar 2015 5:45 a.m. PST

Battle of Trenton

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2015 7:40 a.m. PST

The Flagstaff War

The Second Seminole War

And, for the more mainstream view, I agree with all 4 of Martin's choices


Otto the Great11 Mar 2015 7:40 a.m. PST

I do not think your examples are underdogs.

They are forces that may have been out numbered, but had better leadership, training, or motivation.

They were the victors and it was not because they were lucky.

rmaker11 Mar 2015 9:09 a.m. PST

The Japanese winning the Russo-Japanese War

Let's see, the Japanese have wide open oceanic lines of communication while the Russians try to fight at the wrong end of a 4000 mile mostly single track rail line with a hole in the middle. Who's the underdog?

Deucey11 Mar 2015 9:15 a.m. PST

Alexander's war on Persia.

Thebes defeats Sparta.

Syracuse stymies Athens.

Vienna and the Turks.

Malta and the Turks.

Malta and the Germans/Italians.

4th Crusade takes out Constantinople.


Knight of St John11 Mar 2015 9:23 a.m. PST

Great seige of Mata.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian11 Mar 2015 9:42 a.m. PST

There was an affair in south-east Asia about forty or fifty years ago when a giant superpower did so poorly it had to make movies contesting the result for years afterwards.

Brian Bronson11 Mar 2015 10:20 a.m. PST

Taffy 3 in the Battle off Samar

skippy000111 Mar 2015 10:45 a.m. PST

The Bridge At Lodi.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2015 11:02 a.m. PST



David Manley11 Mar 2015 11:28 a.m. PST

As mentioned above I wouldn't say the Japanese were the underdog in the RJW by a long mile.

Similarly Midway, the US held all the aces there and it was their battle to lose.

Vietnam springs to mind as the most obvious example to the casual observer at least,

David Manley11 Mar 2015 12:44 p.m. PST

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2015 11:57 a.m. PST

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Rhysius Cambrensis12 Mar 2015 12:06 p.m. PST


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