"'Jihadi John' In ISIS Videos Identified " Topic

"Investigators believe that the "Jihadi John" masked fighter who fronted Islamic State beheading videos is a British man named Mohammed Emwazi, two U.S. government sources said on Thursday.

He was born in Kuwait and comes from a prosperous family in London, where he grew up and graduated with a computer programming degree, according to the Washington Post.

In videos released by Islamic State (IS), the black-clad militant brandishing a knife and speaking with an English accent appears to have decapitated hostages including Americans, Britons and Syrians…"
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So, hecomes from a very affluent family …. so poverty is not the reason why he joined the Islamic State.!

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Armand

Yes, I've been watching this all day on CNN … They believed since the UK was keeping an eye on him and would not let him leave to go to the Mid East, etc. … He joined the Jihad because he was marginalized and picked on by UK LEOs, etc. unfairly, etc. … And someone who knew him, also a moslem, said because the UK took the same invasive methods as the US, it forced him to join Deash. And he was a good guy and should not have treated the way he was by the UK … What ?!?! Really ?!? Another good guy who was pushed to the edge and joined Deash ! So he was so upset he was forced to become a sadistic torturer and murderer, beheading Westerners and others, etc. … Seems like another islamic whinny little bitch … Some join jihad because a relative was killed by the West, etc. … This massive loser was may have been closely watched etc., by the UK. But that comes no where near enough reason to cause him to do the horrific atrocities be commited on video … He will probably not get captured to be accountable for his crimes. Most likely he will be killed in battle, etc. … I'd like to see the drone camera footage of him being immolated by a Hellfire missile. And that still will be too good for him …

Almost all the leaders seem to be doing better than average.

Even al-Baghdadi was sporting a very expensive watch – some say it is a Rolex.

It's not a stretch to think that one may be pushed over the edge and join a Jihadi group by a police state that constantly keeps you under surveillance and treats you like a terrorist whenever you leave the house.

He probably thought he'd rather let it become a "self fulfilling prophecy" than living such a "life." There are probably many "fence-sitters" out there ready to be pushed over the brink.

Not justifying what he did at all, but just sayin'.

So, Emzawi was so upset that MI5 thought he might become a murderous Jihadi that he became a murderous Jihadi. Have I got that right?

Almost all the leaders seem to be doing better than average.

Even al-Baghdadi was sporting a very expensive watch – some say it is a Rolex

"It's not a stretch to think that one may be pushed over the edge and join a Jihadi group by a police state that constantly keeps you under surveillance and treats you like a terrorist whenever you leave the house."

No it's not.

But he wasn't.

The interesting catch 22 or these guys, you would need to be an evil police state to be able to stop them all. How else would you be able to track every single nut or the evil men who push them over the edge? When I was a kid I was within 5 minutes of being a causality of a Christian version. In that case the nut job tried to blow up a abortion clinic with a time bomb. I and my friends, who didn't even really know what a abortion clinic was at the time, were in the parking lot riding skateboards and bikes. (Frankly, we did know the parking lot was generally empty.) Luckily for us, we decided to go somewhere else just before the explosion, but were close enough to hear and feel it. It was interesting to say the least afterward during the trial to read in the paper the guy's "mullah" tell us how righteous his act of "saving" kids was. My formal introduction to the personality type. Now, I work as a security engineer.

I don't buy going from feeling harassed to then beheading aid workers and reporters with a knife; too much of a leap IMO. Going off on a cop or someone giving him a bad look, that seems more possible/probable to me.

One problem with that. Cops fight back.

You know, I feel I was treated unfairly as a child…actually, for a long time. I don't think I've beheaded anyone lately, though.

We'll get him. We've gotten pretty good at dispatching these guys. It's only a matter of time.

Agreed, allot of robotic toys with Hellfire missiles are scanning for him 24-7. Now that they know what he looks like, it is only a manner of time.

Yeah, as some noted. If you don't surveil the "suspects" with all available assets, human, electronic, etc., enough you may miss something. Like we saw with the Boston Bombing brothers and the recent attacks in France. LEOs, etc. had an idea these guy could be "bad", but nothing firm enough to really do anything. And on the other hand you do too much surveillance, etc., some may get upset and go Jihadi … It's a crap shoot, and as always, by the time you know for sure … it's too late. This loser as I said, must of had some real issues regardless. And again, based on what some of his friends said, he was a "nice" guy, but was pushed to this level of brutality. But Note … they were moslems too. So were somewhat, not unexpectedly, sympathetic to his "plight", so to speak … But as I said, this loser had issues. And it appears more and more we may see many joining the barbaric ranks of Deash. Also may have some underlining "problems". You don't join a very open group like this, on all forms of media, etc. … Without noticing what these guys are all about. And to join such a group because you feel marginalized, abused, etc., and want to be in the ranks of these lunatics, again, you must have some real issues. Being a [now semi-retired] PI I can tell you physical surveillance is not like you see on TV. And the reasons why people do things many times is not really easy to discern … until it may be, again … too late … This loser has little excuse to do what he does. He will probably vaporized within the year. To bring him to court would be a waste of time. And to what end ? He's a butcher and all saw this on Youtube, etc. …

"Not justifying what he did at all, but just sayin'."
28mm Fanatik, sounds to me like you are,

28mm Fanatik – exactly how harassed do you have to feel before you start hacking peoples' heads off?

There's no-one to blame for his actions but himself.

But seriously, granted that "Jihadi John" would have joined ISIS and cut people's heads off whether or not Big Brother's making his life miserable, there may be others who might not have joined ISIS if Big Brother isn't making their lives intolerable. Unlikely, you say? But it's possible.

Given how we value our privacy it's possible that someone can be driven to join a Jihadi group (Daesh or otherwise) when this valued privacy is taken away. But this doesn't necessarily mean he/she will be personally cutting people's heads off as a jihadi. Just sayin'.

It's not a stretch to think that one may be pushed over the edge and join a Jihadi group by a police state that constantly keeps you under surveillance and treats you like a terrorist whenever you leave the house.
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thing is the UK is not a police state – having work in LE they wouldn't be capable of running a sweet shop let alone a state. i seriously doubt that every time he stepped out of the door he was surveilled – do you know how many people its takes to run a surveillance

(Not you GNREP ;) )

Answer me this:

If the UK is as you allege, a 'police state', why are they at liberty to murder? Why are they neither locked up or dead at the hands of the Agents of the State?

See also Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, etc.

exactly how harassed do you have to feel before you start hacking peoples' heads off?

There's no-one to blame for his actions but himself.

Another rare occurrence, but I completely agree with you stu … Saw on CNN today, that now everybody had done some digging around in this loser's past. It appears, he had anger issues as a youth. And it was bad enough that it required some sort of counselling … As I said, based on my experiences, he had issues and it appears this is now coming to light.

i seriously doubt that every time he stepped out of the door he was surveilled – do you know how many people its takes to run a surveillance

Yes, I agree and I do know. It is hard to do it right on many occassions. Not to mention, the number of those "suspects" that may have to be surveilled. There is not enough LEOs, etc., to be near as effective as we'd like.

Another rare occurrence, but I completely agree with you stu …

Quick, someone check the temperature in Hell!

I can't speak for the UK, but in the US we're seeing the increased use of drones for domestic surveillance. Drones can overfly our homes and spy on our activities. You may say, "let them, I have nothing to hide" and willingly give up your privacy, but others may not be so amenable.

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I'm not saying the US or UK are Police States yet, but someday we may have to be to safeguard our way of life.

28mm Fanatic. I rarely chip in on subjects like this, but… I'm prepared to make this an exception.

You seem only a couple of 'cold dead fingers' away from joining the militia and proclaiming the second amendment…

I get it: you are speaking to a chap that lives in a country that boasts more cctv cameras than the rest of the world put together. This doesn't make me a happy man: Surveillance. Big Brother. Everyone grab a musket and overthrow tyrany.

Like I said – I get it.

Problem is I don't care how many times he got filmed on his way to the chip shop, or how many times he was strenuously interviewed by plod or, for that matter, how often he was offered a job (astonishingly) by UK security services: nothing – nothing – justifies what he is (apparently) doing.

None of his past illicits a gram of sympathy from me, I'm afraid.

I hope his end is slow, degrading and painful.

John T

Fanatik,

As with others of your ilk, your personal conceit leads you to overrate your own importance.

I'm sure that you think that you're a Person of Interest, but I can assure you that you're actually and therefore of absolutely NO interest to the security services.

I hope that puts your mind at rest.

No need to thank me.

On the subject of Jihadi John; surely this proves that the security services were RIGHT?

Of course the contradiction in your allegation is that in a true police state, he'd have been 'disappeared'. But as we live in a law-abiding democracy with civilian oversight of the security services, the most they could do was keep the under limited surveillance.

Another rare occurrence, but I completely agree with you stu …
Quick, someone check the temperature in Hell!

Where I live its 30 degrees and falling with 4-6 inches of snow expected followed by freezing rain … So you can draw anything you like from that …

Well said Jamima Fawr! That poster is 100% accurate.

Cheers. I'm here all week, try the steak.

Needless to say, claims by 'Cage' regarding MI5 harassment of Emwazi are proving to be BS. The Tanzanians have produced evidence that proves that Emwazi and his fellow jihadis were NOT arrested on the orders of MI5, but were instead arrested for being drunk and disorderly on the flight that brought them to Tanzania (so much for being good Muslims…).