"two quastions in one ! Yes caission again!" Topic

Hi,Guys number1
How to train the horse teames?
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2 when the mid axle the separate the horse teames wil be damaged and one of the front wheels is damaged? greetings sege joe

Of the rear wheel they had a spare the front as wel? serge joe

How to train the horse teams?

Same way you would any other draught horses.

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Horse teams for artillery and caissons would normally be either 4 or 6.

2 when the mid axle the separate the horse teams wil be damaged and one of the front wheels is damaged?

Sorry, don't understand the question.

Of the rear wheel they had a spare front one as well?

The wheels are usually all the same size. Wagon wheels OTOH tend to have a smaller wheeel at the front.

MajorB
I asume the tems were on the left and right correct?
so 2 when the mid axle the separate the horse teams wil be damaged and one of the front wheels is damaged?

Sorry, don't understand the question.

Of the rear wheel they had a spare front one as well? looking at models theThe wheels are usually all the same size. Wagon wheels OTOH tend to have a smaller wheel at the front. greetings serge joe

Is there a point to all these many and varied questions? Are you writing a set of rules or something?

Cheers

I assume the teams were on the left and right correct?

On the left and right of what?

so 2 when the mid axle the separate the horse teams wil be damaged and one of the front wheels is damaged?

Sorry, still don't understand the question.

Of the rear wheel they had a spare front one as well? looking at models theThe wheels are usually all the same size. Wagon wheels OTOH tend to have a smaller wheel at the front. greetings serge joe

Umm … why quote back to me what I previously said?

OToh? One beer is coming your way ! cheers too you serge joe

serge joe, regarding your question about spare wheels, you are correct that the front wheels of cassions were smaller to facilitate turning. If the spare wheel carried on the caisson was the incorrect size, a wheel would be brought up from the spare wheel cart. If repairing the caission, a crane and field forge might be needed as well:
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Quote from TMP member Littlearmies:
Franklin's "British Napoleonic Field Artillery" mentions the establishment to support a battery of four long 9lbers in the Low Countries in 1793:

"It notes in addition to the 3 officers, 1 drummer, 7 NCOs and 65 gunners, it required 2120 rounds of ammunition, over 40 assorted carriages (wagons for grease, axles & wheels, shoes & nails, spare harness, forge cart, coals & iron, pickets and line, artificers tools, pioneer tools, officers baggage (2), artillery tents, conductors baggage, artificer baggage, drivers tents & baggage (2), and 2 spare wheel wagons) – 199 horses, 94 drivers, and 15 other civilan staff and artificiers…

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OToh?

On The Other Hand

you are correct that the front wheels of caissons were smaller

Sorry, I was thinking of Civil War caissons.

The Russians made a pretty big effort to standardize, increase the throw weight per peice and greatly expand their artillery from about 1796. The so-called system of the year 1805 had …..

The wheels on the gun carriages were of two sizes : 4-1/2 foot diamater for battery companies and 4 foot diameter for light and horse companies.
All limbers used the 4 foot diameter wheel. All limbers were the same. They had ammunition boxes with re-configurable internal divisions. The caissons were all the same, again with re-configurable ammunition boxes. The same caissons were also used for moving infantry rounds (but these caissons were with the infantry companies, 1 per company, not attached to the artillery companies as in the French service. The caissons were 2-wheeled (using the same 4 foot diamter wheel) and pulled by three horses. Mobile forges, mobil cranes and other ancillary artillery and engineering vehicles all used the same 4 foot diameter wheel. Regimental supply wagons (1 per company for the infantry) used the same 4 foot diameter wheel. Larger army-level supply wagons used the 4-1/2 foot wheel. Wheels were the same left vs.right.

There was similar commonality with axles and quite a few other parts.

Spare parts for an artillery company of 12 pieces was 2 spare carriages, 2 spare limbers, 2 (or more) spare caissons – all with spare horses – and an additional 4 spare wheels. The spare caissons and ammunition boxes on the spare limbers would be loaded with ammunition if available. Over-complement spare barrels to complete the spare "systems" were not unknown. This explains why occassionally it seems that an artillery company is disposing of 14 pieces instead of 12.

As a temporary measure in battery companies, the 4-1/2 foot wheels could be replaced with the 4 foot diameter ones, if needed.

The artillery company, a command for a lieutenant colonel or colonel of artillery, included all the functions of the train d'artillerie in the French service (i.e. all the horses) and had a command of various artillery artisans of about 15, and a medical staff of about 6 (slight variations in various establishments).

- Sasha