"make-up of British XXX Corps during Market Garden" Topic

Besides the Guards Armored Div. what other div's made-up XXX Corps? Were there any independent brigades? Thanks for the help.

The ground forces of Market-Garden comprised the bulk of 2nd Army, VIII Corps, XII Corps and XXX Corps.

XXX Corps had Guards Armoured Div, 43rd and 50th Infantry Divs plus the 8th Armoured Brigade and the Royal Netherlands Brigade. 52nd Lowland Div was also assigned to 1st Allied Airborne Army.

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Get a copy of rapid Fires supplement on market garden ahs a full list of all participants?

Wiki has a very good & comprehensive orbat of all units for Market Garden.

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Edit – just seen this has already been posted.

To add to what Martin and Wiki said:

The Belgian Brigade's Armoured Car Squadron and Field Artillery Battery (which had three Troops – 12 guns total, as opposed to the normal 8) were also attached to XXX Corps.

44th RTR from 4th Armoured Brigade was attached to XXX Corps, to provide armoured support to 101st Airborne once they linked up.

Similarly, 15/19th (Royal) Hussars, who were the Armoured Recce Regiment for 11th Armoured Division, were also attached to XXX Corps, again to provide armoured support for 101st Airborne Division.

One full brigade of 52nd (Lowland) Division, plus that division's 'sea-tail' (i.e. the Recce Regiment, most of the division's RA & RE Groups and the bulk of the administrative elements) was also assigned to follow XXX Corps, along with the sea-tails of the rest of I Airborne Corps.

There was another infantry division recce regiment involved in convoy escort, though I forget which one at the moment.

And don't forget XXX Corps' corps troops:

11th Hussars had been detached to 7th Armoured Division in XII Corps, though Guards Armoured Division had received 2nd HCR from VIII Corps.

73rd AT Regt RA (M10c & 17pdr towed by Crusader tractor)
27th Light AA Regt RA

5th AGRA:
4th RHA (25pdr)
7th Medium Regt RA (5.5)
64th Medium Regt RA (5.5 & 4.5)
84th Medium Regt RA
121st Medium Regt RA
52nd Heavy Regt RA

There was also a Heavy AA Regt with 3.7-inch guns.

Plus lots of other bits & pieces.

Yes indeed, there are all sorts of fun bits and pieces attached to XXX Corps specifically.

I'd often wondered why there were 44 RTR units in the XXX Corps countermix for 'Hells Highway'!

Get a copy of rapid Fires supplement on market garden ahs a full list of all participants?

I'll second this. It is an excellent resource and quick primer for Market Garden.

Well it's ok, though does contain some howlers such as Tulip rockets for the Guards Armoured Division…

It does but it gives list of who was there, then a bit of research to get the actual ORBATS.

Oh and one that doesn't make in onto the ORBATs.

2nd A/L LAA Btty R.A attached from 6th Airborne to 1st Airborne . Supposed to provided Ground and Air defence for landing grounds.

x3 Off 125 OR's formed sea party.
6x 40mm Guns and tows traveled by road Sea-party leaves Overijse and proceeds via Helchtchen And Eindhoven to Veghel. Involved in ground anti tank action at Veghel on 21st when Germans tanks cut the road.

Air party consisted of 8x Offs 148 OR's to airstrip at Grave landed 13.30 hrs 26th Sept, Road party arrived 26th Sept.

30th Sept x6 guns moved to British Airborne Corps HQ at Nijmegen

Mark – is this the point to mention Nutforce?

More LRCs a bizarre mix of 6pdrs and 20mm AA and some armoured jeeps…but not really working for XXX Corps?

Allied forces are easy- Try getting the German mix! "2000 cadets", "Elements of…". When you do get a unit pinned down you can't be sure of the composition "## Panzer Battalion" turns out to be 3 Stugs!

Not even the Germans knew what they had, what can make it a tad difficult to pin down. As mentioned in another thread, either records weren't kept, or were innacurate, or have been lost.

There is something of an emerging consensus about the Germans though, even if we'll never really know in detail what e.g. Marine Auffanglager Zwolle actually consisted of. Probably a bunch of blokes with rifles and LMGs.

I have my complete Allied Market-Garden Orbat somewhere, formatted to be 1 unit = 1 Company. I got much of the high level German stuff done, but despite trying to cross reference numerous sources, I couldn't get a decent idea of what they had, or even if they attacked piecemeal or consolidated.

As Google is giving me Zwolle Marine Dentention Unit, I doubt they gave LMGs to blokes in the 'Glasshouse", but we'll never know!

Adam,

I'd forgotten about Sqn Ldr Nutting et al! :)

I wish I knew what the title of his book was… Or where to find another copy.

I did see a history of 30 AU by Pen & Sword in Waterstone's some years ago, but like an idiot didn't buy it!

I got the book on 30 AU out of the Library, was an ok read but didn't really go into too much detail more an overview of where and when and what they captured?

For Germans.GEEL Area

Zustand der s.Pz.Jg.Abt 559.
Ist 9 Jagdpanther, 21 StuG davon einsatzbereit 3 Jagdpanther, 5 StuG. In Durchsicht (Neuzustand) 12 StuG, in kurzer Instandsetzung 5 Jagdpanther, 3 StuG, in längerer Instandzetsung 1 Jagdpanther, 1 StuG.

Kampfgruppe 85. ID (Chill) consisted mainly of:
remnants of GrenRgt 1054 and 1055
Feld Ersatz Batallion 185
I./Fallschirmjäger-Regiment 2
I. and III./Fallschirmjäger-Regiment 6
Fallschirm Ersatz und Ausbildungs-Regiment Hermann Göring

Artillerie-Regiment 185
but was at times also reinforced by remnants of the H.-Stu.Gesch. Brig 244 and 280 and H.-Stu.Art. Brig 667.

Kampfgruppe von der Heydte (Fallschirm Rgt 6)
- Regt Stab von der Heydte
- I./6 (with Kp 1-4 and Stab) strength 6/169/557
- II./6 (with Kp 5-8 and Stab)strength 9/160/650
(Knowns as Btl Stephan at that time under command 245 I.D.)
- III./6 (with Kp 9-12 and Stab) strength 5/106/440
- IV./6 (with Kp 13-17) strength 5/109/501
Weapons Fallschirm Regt 6 at that time:-
249 lMG, 52 sMG, 46 mGR.W., 4 lIG, 2 s.Pak, 58 8.8 R.Pz.B., 9 2-cmFlak.

Kampfgruppe Dreyer
-Stab Dreyer
-I./Fallschirm Ausb. u.Ers Regt Herman Goring with 5 Kp. Strength 13/63/503.
Weapons 33lMG, 1 sMG, 3 lIG, 2 sIG, 1 8.8 R.Pz.B., 6 2-cm Flak
- I./Fallschirm Regiment 2 with 4 Kp. Strength 8/81/461.Weapons 46 lMG, 3 sMG, 10 mGR.W., 11 8.8 R.Pz.B.

-Batalion Ohler, with 4 Kp. Strength 6/65/382.
Weapons 14lMG, 2sMG, 10 mGR.W., 3 sGR.W.

Artllery
-Stab Artillery Regiment 185 and Flak (Abteilung or Regiment?) 195 working together as Stab
- Artllery Gruppe Ackermann (numbered as II./185)
At that time under command 245 I.D.

Consist of:-
18./SS Artillery Ausb Regiment V with 4x 10.5cm
17./SS Artillery Ausb regiment V with 3x 10.5cm
4./925 Flak Abteilung with 4x 8.8cm
- III./Artillery (Ausbildung?)Regiment Herman Goring consisting of:-
14./Abt HG with 2x 15cm and 2x 10.5 cm
15./Abt HG with 19x 2cm Flak
16./Abt HG with 6x 8.8cm

Also part of this was III./, but at that time under command of Korps:- Pz/Gren. Rekr. HG with 2 Kp
-III./185 consisting of:-
9./185 with 4x 10.5 cm
8./185 with 2x 8.8 cm
2./925 with 3x 8.8 cm

Pioniere Abteilung
Consisting of
-1 Pionier Kp 347 I.D. strength 6/14/81 with 14 lMG's
-Pionier Kp 185 (remnants Pionier Abt 85 I.D.) strength 1/15/65 with 6 lMG's