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Khaki0826 Jan 2015 4:15 p.m. PST

I've just picked up four Airfix 1/1200 Tribal class destroyers for some WW2 gaming. Specifically I'd like to model Cossack, Zulu, Maori, and Sikh for Malta convoy action. Anyone know a good source for info on variations between the individual ships,(noticeable at 1/1200 scale). Also any info on Camo/paint schemes for the med in 1941 would also be very helpful. Any thoughts gratefully received. Thanks.

Sundance26 Jan 2015 4:19 p.m. PST

Mal Wright's British and Commonwealth Warship Camouflage of WWII and The Warship Perspective Series by Alan Raven. Best sources on British camouflage in print.

Khaki0826 Jan 2015 5:04 p.m. PST

Just seen the post on Mal Wright's book. (Duh!) I will have to look that out, however other thoughts still welcome!

Sundance26 Jan 2015 6:20 p.m. PST

Oh, and to be fair, Mal's book is destroyer and smaller, while Raven's series covers carriers and battleships down.

Before I bought them, I spent a lot of time on line looking for pics of specific ships I wanted to model, reading descriptions, comparing known color scheme to photos, etc. Lots of work but very rewarding in its own right.

Pontius27 Jan 2015 5:09 a.m. PST

I don't have the details to hand but the Tribals were modified to improve their AA defence against dive bombers after Ghurka and Afridi were lost to that type of attack. This involved replacing "X" 4.7" mounting with twin 4" in a Mk XIX mounting. The main mast and after funnel were cut down to improve the sky arcs.

Detailed research will be needed to find out when these modifications were made to specific ships, but I would imagine at least some of the Tribals serving in the Med would have them applied.

Blutarski27 Jan 2015 9:13 a.m. PST

Edgar March ("British Destroyers") did not get into detail, but wrote thusly -

"WAR ALTERATIONS – The usual A's and A's, made as opportunity served between 1941 and 1942, were similar to those for the RCN Tribals…"

- and goes on to describe wartime alterations to the RCN Tribals as follows:

> Twin 4in HA at No. 3 position.
> Modified bridges t take lookouts.
> RDF.
> Improved close-range armament of 4-barrelled pompoms and six Oerlikons.
> After funnel shortened 4 ft.
> HF/DF on pole mast and radar control for main armament.
> No main mast.

Not comprehensive by any means, but hopefully of some help.


TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2015 11:09 a.m. PST

Sorry for my ignorance, but were any sporting dazzle?


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