""France Kicks Islamist Ass"" Topic

"When the United States and its allies invaded Iraq in early 2003, France famously objected—and refused to join the coalition occupying force.

Paris' objection to the war provoked U.S. Congressman Walter Jones, a North Carolina Republican, to sponsor a bill requiring the capitol cafeteria to rename french fries as "freedom fries."

But France only opposed the 2003 Iraq war because, well, it had nothing to do with Islamic militancy and only further destabilized the region, resulting in more terrorism.

In fact, Paris has deployed forces across the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa for years—alone and in coalitions—in an escalating global campaign targeting radical Islamists…"
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And now they began to paid the price…

Amicalement
Armand

I've been a fan ever since the Toyota Wars.

Right now France is busy with jihadists at home … The Free World, the West has yet to come to a good overall strategy/plan/etc., to stop the worldwide war on islamic jihadists. I heard yesterday Intel agencies believe that up to 40-50% of moslems are islamists, jihadist, etc. … I hope not … but that is alot of "enemy", so-to-speak. I'm afraid, the West is too busy trying to be PC, etc., than do what it may take. However, the West is and has been at war with militant islamists, jihadists, etc. … By saying the West's actions have helped cause to many to be radicalized. May have some merit. However, based on what I have observed over the decade. They will be radicalized and go jihadi, with little help from the West. Like many things, they blame the West for their problems. And too blinded to look within. The average moslem should be very upset with what radical moslems do in their name. If Christians were doing such heinous acts in the name of God. I'm sure the much of the Christian world would get very much involved to stop it … That is where the 40-50% comes in, and almost makes that figure believable … Many of the moslem majority counties, don't really do anything to stop the jihadists, etc. … The leadership in some cases directly or indirectly supports this. Where are the clerics saying what is going on is very wrong ? Don't mean to talk "Religion", but those are the factions involved. As some say it's a war of ideologies … Religion or ideologies … it's sematics … Yes ?

I heard yesterday Intel agencies believe that up to 40-50% of moslems are islamists, jihadist

Doubtless either from fox News or a bloke in a bar.

That quote is too stupid for me to adequately express my disgust .

For the record, one of the dead policemen was a Muslim. There's not a single Muslim state which supports ISIS.

The vast majority of the victims of jihhadis are Muslims.

The vast majority of the people fighting the jihhadis are Muslim.

With the exception of their quick in-and-out Mali campaign last year, France actually kept a relatively low profile when it comes to fighting radical Islam abroad, unlike the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, they have 4.7 million muslims (7% of population by percentage) which is the largest in Western Europe. I doubt that 40 to 50% of their muslim population are islamist/jihadi, but that's still a large pool of people from which potential recruits can be brainwashed/converted into radical extremism.

It's unfortunate that we live in an age where the requirements of increased vigilance may turn democracies into quasi police states.

Dammit legion hate to agree with you ;)

We're talking an awful lot of muslims though; most of whom will feel about as much kinship with the jihadist as I do with westboro (?) Baptists or Serbian "crusaders".
Western policies haven't hurt the jihadis recruiting drives but the root of the problem is mega rich Saudis who've been exporting their extremism wherever they can. Certainly the British mosques most affected are Saudi sponsored with Saudi appointed and educated preachers who tend to come from backward third world holes rather than the community they preach to. From what I've read even places like Pakistan were relatively tolerant thirty years ago.
If you ask me the west has been trying to cut out tumours for the last ten years rather go for the cancer

latto … that's twice in as many days !!!!!

I heard yesterday Intel agencies believe that up to 40-50% of moslems are islamists, jihadist

That quote is too stupid for me to adequately express my disgust

For the record, one of the dead policemen was a Muslim. There's not a single Muslim state which supports ISIS.

The vast majority of the victims of jihhadis are Muslims.

The vast majority of the people fighting the jihhadis are Muslim.

It was on CNN from reliable intel sources, including the CIA. And it was an estimate … And it appears those making the statement spent a lot of time outside the US and spent a lot of time with muslims … And there may not be a Muslim state that supports Deash. But there are a lot of muslims that do. 30,000 is the last number I heard were in Deash ranks. And yes we all know muslims kill more muslims than anyone else … old news. And yes the vast majority of those fighting Deash are muslims. But they need to pick up their game, IMO. What others have said, not just me. Is that muslim nations need to come together, like the Allies did in WWII or the UN in Korea. And make a full court press to clean up the worldwide Deash threat. Not always relying on the infidels of the West to do all the dirty work. Again, the problem is from within the islamic world. They are too factionalized, guided by old ethic and religious divisions, tribalism, warlordism, lead by sheiks, clerics, etc. … Until they look from within and present a unified front against Daesh, then things will never change, IMO … And once again freedom of speech comes into play. I mean isn't that at the heart of the French magazine editors, etc. being murdered by islamic jihadists ? So you think that data from the CIA, etc. is wrong ? The muslim killers of the French magazine staff, felt the same about the cartoons, etc., found in that magazine …

Reliable source? Get someone from the CIA on camera to say that rather than a bozo journalist.

It doesn't even pass the first logical hurdle….

If half the Islamic World supported ISIS… where are they? Why aren't we knee-deep in people running rampage on a daily basis?

Why have revolutions not happened? Why have governments not been toppled?

Just remember after 911 every Arab nation had people celebrating in the streets. Guess who didn't? Iran a Shiite majority and Indonesia and Malaysia two Asian nations that have always been pretty moderate.

Maybe it is time to work out our differences with Iran . Persians have always been better allies in the past then our so called Arab friends.

"Support" can mean sympathetic or altruistic support, i.e. inward rather than outward. If something like fifty percent of Muslims are sympathetic toward the IS that shouldn't be surprising. Those Muslims living in the West are hardly immune from the "us and them" doctrine of Islam. Just because a pair of brothers are born "here" doesn't subvert their religious indoctrination. That happens everywhere. Jews and Christian denominations of many kinds are identically indoctrinated against "them", or the rest of the world.

Look at the real danger of sympathetic support: if a nation began to unravel through the pressures of rising domestic jihadist attacks, and the gov't started to crack down in a panic by rounding up more and more jihadists, where, to you suppose, would the majority of sympathetic Muslims turn? To the gov't and non Muslims, or toward their own?

Saying stupid things like, "forty or fifty percent of Muslims support ISIS", is just fueling the move in that direction. Let's just state what our "prophecy" is then do our level best to fulfill it ourselves.

I don't believe for the moment that anywhere near that many Muslims are sympathetic toward the jihadists. But they are conflicted because it is a subset of coreligionists who are threatening them too. If that subset becomes anywhere like dominant, then we can watch as the momentum swings even further toward support for the jihadists.

The brothers who shot up the paper were born in France. Chew on that one….

28mm Fanatik:

with the exception of their quick in-and-out Mali campaign last year

France was involved in Afganisthan and is still today involved in the Sahel (Tchad, Niger, including Mali) area where they are taking care of Al Queada guys over there. -> link

They are also involved in Central African Republic (to reverse the islamic guys who took power there) and of course in the current fight against Daesh guys in Iraq.

This is not really low profile. In comparaison none of the EU country is doing something close to that.

Let's have a look at that 50% figure.

That means some 800 million people supporting the Jihad worldwide.

Now, only Sunni Muslims have anything to do with jihadism, given the Jihhadis regard other Muslims as heretics.

Therefore something like 60% of all Sunni Muslims must tacitly support the Jihad.

So, take any given Sunni Muslim in a US uniform. I suggest by this logic he must be disarmed, interrogated and indeed sent to G'mo until it can be established he's not a traitor…..

Obviously camps are the only way forward…

Seems incidentally these three murderers were actually from AQ in Yemen, and the one place France hasn't been active is Yemen.

There is a report on Channel 4 News here that there are whispers that the USA hasn't been sharing as much intelligence with its allies regarding Yemen as some would like.

I do hope that's not true.

"40-50% of Muslims are Islamists, jihadist…"

Ha!

You claim to have heard this on CNN?

In making this claim, Do you even know what an Islamist is?

That's like claiming that half of all Christians believe in Christ…

Get real.

"40-50% of Muslims are Islamists, jihadist…"

I suspect it's more like at least 40-50% of all Muslims are "fundamentalists".

Before I get accused of "they"re just people like us," in most instances they certainly don't live like us.

Your average Muslim is poor, uneducated, lives a rural lifestyle, lives in a third world country and often lives in deeply conservative societies. A lot of the urban are much the same.

So when the immigrate to West they bring their deeply conservative values with them. And many of the children end up the same. This creates culture clash as Islamic values are in direct conflict with western liberal democratic ones.

How many are prone to violence is another question entirely.

And just cause someone has modern technology and even modern living standards doesn't make them Western either.

People need to stop thinking that "inside every there is an American wanting to come out." That is the West's biggest failure.

So, take any given Sunni Muslim in a US uniform. I suggest by this logic he must be disarmed, interrogated and indeed sent to G'mo until it can be established he's not a traitor…..

You did have a muslim US Army major shoot up Ft Hood.

Indonesia and Malaysia two Asian nations that have always been pretty moderate.

Conservative Islam is growing in both and Indonesia has home grown jihadis (Bali bombing and others).

Malaysia is increasingly Islamist. Sharia is in place in a number of provinces and religion is used as a discriminatory factor against minorities.

Even once staunchly secular Turkey is becoming increasingly Islamist.

Islam is not just a religion, it's also a code for living and a political-legal system. And with failure of nationalism and left wing economics, Islam has become appealing to many Muslims. It also suits many governments because it gives religious underinning for authoritarian regimes.

Not saying it is right or wrong, but, it' s worth pointing out that Legion 4 actually said "upto 40-50%".

So, technically, even if it is actually only 1%, it still means the quote is correct…

Reliable source? Get someone from the CIA on camera to say that rather than a bozo journalist.

It doesn't even pass the first logical hurdle….

If half the Islamic World supported ISIS… where are they? Why aren't we knee-deep in people running rampage on a daily basis?

Why have revolutions not happened? Why have governments not been toppled?

Nothing you said here surprised me …

And 40-50% Islamist (or conservative Muslim) is a conservative number.

40%-50% as prone to violence is unrealistic.

However a conservative non-violent Muslim is just as dangerous to Western values as a violent one. They are voters and the more of them there are, the more likely they can influence policy to meet Islamic requirements and not Western ones which are completely incompatible with Muslim values.

I have a close friend who lives in New Jersey. He told me that on 9/11 streets there in New Jersey were full of muslims dancing in the streets in celebration.

That was in the US, not some middle eastern moslem country!!

I do not know if there are 40-50% true jihadists, but I would not be surprised if that many agree with them, but may not be crazy or brave enough to get in the line of fire.

Tom

cwlinsj
"40-50% of Muslims are Islamists, jihadist…"

Ha!

You claim to have heard this on CNN?

In making this claim, Do you even know what an Islamist is?

That's like claiming that half of all Christians believe in Christ…

Get real.

You get real !!!! I didn't say I said it, I said I heard it. And yes, I know what an islamists is … Do you ?
However, I believe Deadone and Bindon, understood what was being said. No knee jerk reaction, like stu and cwlinsj demonstrated …

Deadone
And 40-50% Islamist (or conservative Muslim) is a conservative number.

40%-50% as prone to violence is unrealistic.

However a conservative non-violent Muslim is just as dangerous to Western values as a violent one. They are voters and the more of them there are, the more likely they can influence policy to meet Islamic requirements and not Western ones which are completely incompatible with Muslim values.

Bindon Blood – Not saying it is right or wrong, but, it' s worth pointing out that Legion 4 actually said "upto 40-50%".

So, technically, even if it is actually only 1%, it still means the quote is correct…

That is how you should have reacted … Don't shoot the messenger … And remember Freedom of Speech … But I've notice with some Freedom of Speech is O.K. as long as they agree with what is being said. Otherwise you're a son of Satan, etc., etc., to say or think such things …

doug redshirt
Just remember after 911 every Arab nation had people celebrating in the streets. Guess who didn't? Iran a Shiite majority and Indonesia and Malaysia two Asian nations that have always been pretty moderate.

Garryowen
I have a close friend who lives in New Jersey. He told me that on 9/11 streets there in New Jersey were full of muslims dancing in the streets in celebration.

That was in the US, not some middle eastern moslem country!!

I do not know if there are 40-50% true jihadists, but I would not be surprised if that many agree with them, but may not be crazy or brave enough to get in the line of fire.

I do remember such things on the news and have heard similar occurring in my town … stu ? cwlinsj ? So again … don't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message

Last night I saw this was interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, an ex-Muslim and Dutch MP.

She really dispells myths about Islam without Western misconceptions about "everyone is essentially the same as Westerners and radicals are just some isolated nutters coz all people are inherently "good"."

abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm

Bangorestu
Let's have a look at that 50% figure.

That means some 800 million people supporting the Jihad worldwide.

Now, only Sunni Muslims have anything to do with jihadism, given the Jihhadis regard other Muslims as heretics.

Therefore something like 60% of all Sunni Muslims must tacitly support the Jihad.

So, take any given Sunni Muslim in a US uniform. I suggest by this logic he must be disarmed, interrogated and indeed sent to G'mo until it can be established he's not a traitor…..

Obviously camps are the only way forward…

Get a grip man ! Stop over reacting ! Try decaf !

You did have a muslim US Army major shoot up Ft Hood.

Yes, as well as another American moslem/islamist who was in the US ARMY who tried to kill his commanders. Once they deployed during Desert Shield. And there were others too, if you care to look it up.

The brothers who shot up the paper were born in France. Chew on that one….

So Ace … you chew on it …

Saying stupid things like, "forty or fifty percent of Muslims support ISIS", is just fueling the move in that direction.

And no one said that … re-read the posts. It was said that that 40-50% of muslims were islamists, jihadists. It was an estimate … No one saids 50% support Deash(ISIS) … This is a good example of that exercise in school. Where one person whispers a secret to another and that happens on down the line. Until everyone heard "the secret" … But ask the first student and then the last student. You will get a very much different version of what was said …

Dear whomever

Point of information. The place in New Jeresy they said had muslims dancing in the streets was Paterson, New Jersey, where I had the misfortune to live for 30 years, and these "street festivals were reported to have taken place in the the southern section. I called up my friends in the Paterson Police and they knew nothing about it, and I called up some friends who lived around there and they saw nothing. That's not an exhaustive search but.

Maybe they did but I am skeptical of these "I have a friend who said….."

And 40-50% Islamist (or conservative Muslim) is a conservative number.

Depends on what you mean by 'conservative' doesn't it?

But there's a big difference between being 'conservative' and being 'anti-Western'.

After all, from my point of view most American Christians are 'Conservatives' as are Mormons.

But there's a big difference between being 'conservative' and being 'anti-Western'.

After all, from my point of view most American Christians are 'Conservatives' as are Mormons.

Ah … no … Conservative Christians and Mormons are generally two different things … from my POV … being an American …

There is a report on Channel 4 News here that there are whispers that the USA hasn't been sharing as much intelligence with its allies regarding Yemen as some would like.

I do hope that's not true.

Funny CNN said the US is sharing intel with all it's allies … They must be lying again …

"He told me that on 9/11 streets there in New Jersey were full of muslims dancing in the streets in celebration."

Whenever anybody on internet discussion groups starts their story with "…I have a friend who said", I know that everything that follows is .

I am so tired of these rabid posters who insist that every Muslim is an enemy, and coexistence is impossible.

Apparently they share the belief with ISIS and Al Qa'ida that an all-out religious war is inevitable, and lines must be drawn.

Wish we could send you all to a remote island and have you fight it out with the extremists on the other side, while the moderate, peaceful Christians and Muslims (who form the majority all around, despite what somebody's friend of a friend might have told them) go on with their day to day lives and get by.

"Can we just all get along?" – Rodney King.

"I have a friend who said", I was Satan. Wait…no it was that he said the U.S. is The Great Satan. Nevermind!

I think it's a lot like people say "I'm not a racist" and honestly think they mean it, but at 2am in a dark alley they see a group of young men heading their way …

I think a lot of Muslims don't think of themselves as radical and will say "it's not right or proper" etc, but when it comes to Palestina vs Israel, the sanctity of the prophet and various other points they would feel deeply offended. Fundamentalists are nothing more than people who permanently live in the "zone" …

There's no reason why they shouldn't be offended. I'm guessing the Muslim copper who died outside Charlie Hebdo was offended also. But hey, according to Legion he probably supported the gunmen….

CHristians get offended by satire as well – we all have our buttons.

So it's not wrong that they feel offended – or indeed say so.

What is wrong is shooting people who offend you. None of us have the right not to be offended.

Being offended by a drawing of the Prophet doesn't make a Muslim a jihhadi fundamentalist.

I'm still waiting forLegion to come up with a reason why he doesn't support rounding Muslims up into camps if he truly believes half of them support ISIS…

Also Legion, if you believe that, would you be happy to serve with a Muslim serviceman?

Odd how no-one has ever got actual footage of these alleged celebrations concerning 9-11 isn't it?

There was a few in the Middle East which rapidly ended when they realised how serious an incident it was – and note all Muslim government, including Iran, condemned it out of hand.

I am so tired of these rabid posters who insist that every Muslim is an enemy, and coexistence is impossible.

Apparently they share the belief with ISIS and Al Qa'ida that an all-out religious war is inevitable, and lines must be drawn.

No one here believes ALL muslims/moslems are the enemy … NOT ALL moslems are islamists, jihadists, terrorists, etc. … EVEN IF the report I mentioned that stated an ESTIMATED, right or wrong, 40-50% could be islamists or jihadists or radicalized or terrorists, etc., etc., etc. … That is not 100% … Any of you guys take stats classes in school ? I have 2 business degree from a state university, YSU(GO Penguins!) … Not Yale, Harvard or Oxford, regardless … But as a Business Major with a dual minor in Econ and Military Science. I'm literate enough to understand the difference between 1% or 40% or 50% or … 100% … I'm also literate enough to know the meaning of the word ESTIMATE … And it is clear to me many here let their personal prediletions, etc., about other posters or topics blind their objectiveness, etc. … Many let their personal feelings get in the way of being less polarized on certain subjects, etc. …

stu … you are a perfect example about what I just posted …

But hey, according to Legion he probably supported the gunmen….

CHristians get offended by satire as well – we all have our buttons.

So it's not wrong that they feel offended – or indeed say so.

What is wrong is shooting people who offend you. None of us have the right not to be offended.

Being offended by a drawing of the Prophet doesn't make a Muslim a jihhadi fundamentalist.

I'm still waiting for Legion to come up with a reason why he doesn't support rounding Muslims up into camps if he truly believes half of them support ISIS…

Also Legion, if you believe that, would you be happy to serve with a Muslim serviceman?

Now I'm offended … And no stu … I don't believe muslims should be rounded up and put in camps. That is your idea … not mine. And I have never served with a US muslim soldier. However, if I did I'd evalutate him like I did all other soldiers … Does he do his job well, is he a good soldier ? You wouldn't know about soldiering, since you never have been a soldier. The only thing I'm "racist" about soldiers is if they are lazy and don't do their job … Stop sounding so pompous, obnoxious, rude and being upset when it come to my posts. Because you may disagree with what I said OR you think I said … Try looking within then putting words in my mouth. While on active duty, I had worked with Officers from Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Malaysia and Mali … The fact if they were muslim or not never came up … What was important to us is learning how to be good soldiers. And if I had to serve with any of those in combat. I was pretty sure that most of them were good soldiers and would do their job. And I still don't know to this day what their religions were. It never came up as it was not important or germane to what we were doing … Why should it, since we were all on the "same side" it appeared … And now that I think about it, there was even an Iranian officer going thru training with us in '79 … And stu, after re-reading all the posts here … did you actually read ANYTHING I posted. Instead of going bonkers because Legion 4 said something less than positive about moslems, muslims, islamists, etc., etc. ?

The 40% – 50% numbers come from a survey of those that support Sharia law, and/or the radicals, in some cases.

In some countries, they've got over 70% approval, but it varies widely from around 30% to the more than 70% number.

Almost 8% of France is now Muslim, and given their rates of birth vs. those of other French communities, it appears that will only increase. Some fear France is now lost, due to that, and perhaps all of Europe as well.

Supposedly, 1/6th of the French Muslim population even supports ISIS, based upon a recent poll being discussed in the media.

Thankfully, President Sisi in Egypt has spoken out boldly against radical Islam, and says that Muslims have had their religion hijacked, and they need to reform their religion to deal with that.

No doubt, ISIS and AQ, as well as the Muslim Brotherhood (the latter of which was supported in error by the USA), have put a hefty price on his head.

I hope that he will be able to convince others in his country, and around the world to help him eliminate the radicals, and to prove Islam really is a peaceful religion.

Thus far, he's the only high-level Muslim leader to do so.

I applaud his courage, and hope that he has a very well trained, and loyal security detail.

Stop sounding so pompous, obnoxious, rude and being upset when it come to my posts.

When you stop posting rubbish like half of all Muslims support ISIS, I'll moderate my language.

As it is, people in my country who mouth such gibberish tend to attract the attention of the Police and I'll continue to treat you as being on that level.

Mako – why is France 'lost'.

Note the religeon of the polcieman who died fighting those gunmen… I assume the fact he was a Muslim is being reported in the USA?

Support for Sharia – which is, let's remember the basis of all Muslim nations' law codes, does NOT equate to support for ISIS. If it did, Saudi Arabia would not be fighting ISIS, nor would Jordan.

Thankfully, President Sisi in Egypt has spoken out boldly against radical Islam

Along with the leaders of Malaysia, Iran, Morocco, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE…indeed just about every Muslim country that exists.

M

Thus far, he's the only high-level Muslim leader to do so.

A simple lie, easily disproved by a moment's Googling.

link

The indigenous ethnic French aren't having children, but the Muslims that have fled their own countries are, so eventually France may be over-run.

They did report that. Hard to fight Muslims with AK-47s, when you are an unarmed policewoman/policeman. Not sure which is accurate, since they are using both terms here.

I never said support for Sharia equals support for ISIS (though many do support both, as pointed out in my posting – nice try with putting words in my mouth though, Bangor – seems like that is one of your preferred tactics), though those that support Sharia do support things like honor killings, stoning of adulterers, chopping hands off for petty theft, etc., as does ISIS.

Not to mention that the Islamic faith, and Muslims in general, are far less tolerant of Christianity, and Westerners, than we are of them, though you don't see that mentioned ever in the press.

Try taking a bible into Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or attending a Christian church, or to keep from renouncing your chosen faith in many Muslim nations, and see what happens.

I don't recall seeing any leaders that you mention, actively calling on others within their country to take action against the radicals that are hijacking their faith. Perhaps they have, but it certainly hasn't been covered by the news media, if they have.

To be fair, Sisi's speech received very little coverage as well,

Bangorstu 10 Jan 2015 1:01 p.m. PST

Stop sounding so pompous, obnoxious, rude and being upset when it come to my posts.
When you stop posting rubbish like half of all Muslims support ISIS, I'll moderate my language.

As it is, people in my country who mouth such gibberish tend to attract the attention of the Police and I'll continue to treat you as being on that level.

As Mako noted,

The 40% – 50% numbers come from a survey of those that support Sharia law, and/or the radicals, in some cases.

In some countries, they've got over 70% approval, but it varies widely from around 30% to the more than 70% number.

and others have said similar … And as far as me posting rubbish, I believe, some facts may support that … but regardless … What about my or anyone's right to Free Speech ? Especially since I only repeated what was said, and not my words or feelings. As I said, I hope not, when it came to those figures. Again, ARE YOU READING WHAT I POST OR ONLY SKIMMING LOOKING WAYS TO ATTACK ME ? Note personal attacks with get you DH'd … as some have found out. You don't make sense when only rant. What kind of intellectual discussion is that if all points of view or interest is not welcomed and explored like adults ? And I don't know if the fact came up that one of the French LEOs killed was moslem. It really didn't matter, he was doing his job and died while doing it. By radicalized fanatical islamic terrorists … And that is as sad as with all the others that were killed. Many of those other's killed religions were not mentioned. Save for IIRC, some were Jewish. And we all know how many radicalized islamists feel about those of the Jewish faith, Israel, etc. … They have been targetted before in Europe and elsewhere. Like Mumbai in 2008. link Would it make any difference if some killed there in France were atheists, Wiccans, Mormons, etc. … I request you get your facts straight and read my posts in detail before you make personal attacks on me or anyone for that matter. For expressing a point of view that you believe and/or find different then your own …

France isn't 'lost' any more than Israel is, which has a far higher proportion of Muslims than France. Then again, Israel is de facto a police state.

Totally agree!

Amicalement
Armand

whilst I appreciate things have got a bit personal, going back to Legion4's original comment there are a huge amount of variables within that that make it effectively man in the pub as far as intell
1. Who said it – via whom – were they expressing an agency pov or just their own – I am sure that in the US or UK you could find intelligence or LEOs with all sorts of views (some of the latter I've heard have been pretty scary but they are not policy)
2. There are all sorts of so called pew surveys conducted of Muslim views but surely context and country matter more than some overall figure – I wouldn't be surprised if significant numbers of people in Pakistan etc espoused such views but they are not a direct threat to the UK or US. You'd also have to ask (in the context of the UK or US) whether Muslims living in those countries give their true views anyway – "yes I agree with the Taliban, please can you make sure that is clearly marked in my intell file".

The point to me is that these kind of relayed comments (whilst people have the right to post them of course) don't add much to the debate other than potentially fuel a '5th Column'agenda that various right wing groups want to push.

Those of us old enough in the UK will remember similar type things claimed about the support of Irish people, incl Irish Americans, for the IRA (never mind the view of those on the militant side of Loyalism that you can't trust any Catholic). They'll also remember comments re why does the Pope not speak out against PIRA (or indeed US RC leaders) and threaten to excommunicate them all. This was along with a perception that the US was soft on Irish terrorism due to the strength of the Irish American lobby incl the numbers of Irish Americans in LE roles – I know from speaking to Irish American friends that probably quite a few were emotionally sympathetic at one stage to the IRA – and dollars put into NORAID tins did buy bullets that murdered soldiers from my country.

The problem with perceptions is that they can become self fulfilling – if significant numbers of people treat Muslims in the UK or US as potential passive sympathisers of terrorism, then that could push those people to becoming more estranged from British society. At the supermarket y'day the check out lady was wearing a headscarf – I can see some Brits now perhaps not engaging with Muslims but actually (as my wife is an immigrant too) the lady broke the ice and tried to speak my wife's language and then we had a good chat with her.

Given that you also have politicians 'blaming' the growth of the Muslim population for the decline in pub numbers, some people will say anything no matter how silly (given the damage done by alcohol one wonders if a bit of a decrease in pub numbers is such a bad thing – many British cities on a Saturday night look like a modern day Hogarth painting – sadly it seems a particularly British phenomenon!)

Note the religeon of the polcieman who died fighting those gunmen… I assume the fact he was a Muslim is being reported in the USA?

Yes. On FOX News.

doesn't this title count as "Cheer leading"?

No, because it is the title of the article being linked to.

To GNREP8 From Legion 4:

"… please post a thank you to GNREP8 for me for his civil, logical and thoughtful post on that thread. That is the type of constructive posts that should be seen on TMP. Not rants, etc. … "

Amicalement
Armand