Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 6:12 a.m. PST |
I should get a bunch of GHQ minis from Santa anytime soon and I'm looking forward to try Chain of Command. Single mini basing isn't a option I'm even willing to consider. I'm leaning toward basing them by team… First question. I do want a base be fairly realistic (or at leas credible) looking representation of (WW2) team deployed in the field (thus assuming ground scale = miniature scale); what would be an appropriate base size for a 4-men rifle team? Or, put differently, how far from each other did the members of a typical WW2 rifle team operate from each other (I assume of course that mileage did vary quite a bit depending on the type, experience and training of the team as on the type of terrain and mission, but there must be some sort of norm/average) Second question. Is it worth (from a gaming/rule point of view) the trouble to single base the section leader? If no, which team should he be based with? LMG team or rifle team? I assume there might be national/doctrinal differences here: for the record I'm considering UK motor infantry and GE infantry platoons. And third question… What about the platoon leader and platoon NC? Both single based? Based together? |
MajorB | 18 Dec 2014 6:22 a.m. PST |
CoC doesn't specify base sizes. Put 'em whatever bases look right to you. I would single base any significant individuals. |
advocate | 18 Dec 2014 6:26 a.m. PST |
I'd single base the section eader beacuase if you split the teams of a section, he might go with either (or be a casualty). |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 6:28 a.m. PST |
Major: that's kind of my question, I've no experience with WW2 gaming so not sure how it should look like… Flames of War bases look a bit too crowed to me, but really I have no clue… |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 6:33 a.m. PST |
Advocate: - I get the he "might" go with either team if they split, but will he, practically? Aren't they any hidden doctrinal or gaming reasons that call for him to always go with the same team? Not saying there is (keep in mind, no experience with WW2 nor CoC what so ever), but don't wanting to go the trouble of basing him separately if he'll always end up with the same team… - I'll deal with casualties in teams by noting them on a piece of paper (not ideal, but IMO less a pain than handling a whole platoon of singled based minis). So if that's the only reason to base the squad leader on it's own… |
Dynaman8789 | 18 Dec 2014 6:44 a.m. PST |
There are nation specific rules that will help things and in some cases dictate where he goes but if there is a choice the player is allowed to make it. An example of one such rule is the Germans can use a leader to increase the effectiveness of their MG teams so the leader will usually stick with them. |
Doms Decals | 18 Dec 2014 6:55 a.m. PST |
I'd say 6mm may be going a bit far for CoC, as your figure scale is actually significantly smaller than the game's ground scale. If you are set on it, I'd suggest playing in cm rather than inches, in which case the ground scale becomes pretty close to 1/300. Then I'd base teams on whatever size looks realistic in "real life" terms (probably 1/4" per figure as a minimum, maybe a bit more.), and section and platoon leaders individually. (I do think you need the flexibility of individual section leaders – while there's a tendency to default to him accompanying the LMG team to keep them in action, when you're putting in a close assault you'll almost certainly want him with the rifle group….) |
vtsaogames | 18 Dec 2014 7:36 a.m. PST |
The real ground scale of CoC is 15mm. Yes, leaders should be separate. Otherwise teams makes sense. You will need to keep track of hits and shock. Once a team or squad/section has more shock points than surviving members, they head for the hills. |
axabrax | 18 Dec 2014 8:54 a.m. PST |
Wow I think it's gonna be awfully fiddly trying to do this in 6mm. How are you going to base a two man team? (Because you'll need some of those and even one man teams as well.) The bases will be so small you'll hardly be able to pick them up! Have you thought about upgrading to 15mm? I mean more power to you if you decide to stick with 6mm, but it seems like an unnecessary headache given how inexpensive and widely available 15mm stuff is. I guess if you were planning on doing "Big Chain of Command" it might be worth it however so you can field a lot of tanks. Good luck! |
MajorB | 18 Dec 2014 9:02 a.m. PST |
How are you going to base a two man team? On a 1p or 2p coin. |
Dynaman8789 | 18 Dec 2014 11:10 a.m. PST |
For basing individual 6mm troops I use a #6 or #10 washer (whichever is the smaller one – the other size I used for 15mm troops). The trick is to glue the figure to the inner portion of a hole punch hole and then glue that to the washer. For groups of troops I use Linoleum floor tiles cut to the appropriate size. |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 11:51 a.m. PST |
Dom: yeah, I should have mentionned I intend to read "inches" as "cm" therefore making the ground scale about 1/250, close enough to the minis 1/285. |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 11:55 a.m. PST |
Vtsao: I'll probably make a series of cards, one for each team, with 2 kind of counters: I'll remove the one sort (let's say black silouhettes) to keep track of hits, and add the other (let's say orange explosions) to keep trak of shock. So if one card has more explosion than silouhette… If two team join, I'll just have to put both card on top of eachother… |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 12:01 p.m. PST |
axabrax: 15mm minis are inexpensive indeed (certainly given that you can't buy just a dozen of 6mm), but my issue was with the board and terrain: I want good looking (and diverse) terrain, without it being too expensive. More importantly I want the whole thing to be fairly portable (I have no car and move around with the bus and train), to be playable on a regular table or desk (which isn't usually 4' deep)… In fact I want to be able to start a game, to put the entire board aside without removing the terrain and mini, and to start playing where I left the next days. So… 6mm! |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 12:05 p.m. PST |
axabrax: I have access to a laser cutter so I can pretty muck cut any shape and size of base I want out of thin acrylic or wood… My 15mm sci-fi is based on 10mm circles (characters), 25mm cicles (small specialist teams) and 40mm circles (regular fire team). |
Trojan Points | 18 Dec 2014 12:14 p.m. PST |
Got an answer on the TFL forum recommanding about 10m for a LMG team and 20m for a rifle team. And everyone seems to recommend single basing the leaders… At 1/285 that would be about 35mm for the LMG and 70mm for the rifles… So: 40mm for teams and 10mm for leaders? I'll play around disposing minis on various size of bases and see how they look. |
Weasel | 18 Dec 2014 12:41 p.m. PST |
Team bases might give you some problems, since the casualty removal is individual in COC and you lose the ability to spread a squad out along a hedge row or something similar |
Fried Flintstone | 18 Dec 2014 4:05 p.m. PST |
Mini cost is not really an issue at these scale games – I would go 15mm |
Doms Decals | 18 Dec 2014 11:03 p.m. PST |
He's already said that it's for space reasons though…. |
Weasel | 18 Dec 2014 11:40 p.m. PST |
Yeah, you can fit a 6mm platoon on a tiny table and still have plenty of space :) |
Martin Rapier | 19 Dec 2014 12:02 a.m. PST |
Yes, 40mm for a team at that ground scale is about right. I have individual 6mm figures on 10mm bases too and that is quite manageable. |