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jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2014 1:52 p.m. PST

Cammy jammy ,your wasting your breath…I fought this battle on the first thread…Oh welcome…and it does not matter if you have been a member three days or three years,everyone has a right to speak their mind. Hugs all around!!!!!

Perry Miniatures04 Dec 2014 2:09 p.m. PST

We thought we'd better respond to Bill's original post, so here goes..

'One…Blaming the caster seems like a bit of spin to me.

According to this the caster tried something and it didn't work. Fine. His fault. But you still sold the products anyway knowing (or at least the caster knew) that his "trial" was faulty and he was providing miscast figures to be sold to the public.'

Quite right they shouldn't have got that far but we didn't realize.
This would normally be spotted but wasn't for some reason………. We can't supervise every pack personally. We have taken the responsibility and have offered restitution, which is all we can do for the packs that have gone out.

'Where is the quality control? When your name is on the package, it's your responsibility to see that the product sold is the best it can be. Period.'

Yes, but when you have around 1500 packs (9000 figures/horses) going out a week it's tough for us to personally check each box. We work from home and are always busy.

'Who packs these little boxes? Could they not see what they were
packing? And why didn't they say something?'

Well, she does normally spot anything like this.

'Second. Alan states that he spot checked 11 boxes and found that he
could bend the legs back into the correct shape 2 or 3 seconds. I would love to see him do that with what I got. Or what 45 thDiv got. It took me quite some time, with 2 pair of pliers, just to get the horses to stand up straight. I'm having a very hard time accepting that one.'

I am telling the truth, it took 2-3 seconds on the horses with the ‘wavey' legs, I'm not talking about the crumped ones.


'Third Worms. Alan states that worms are necessary to the casting process. Really, because I just received AWI Cavalry from Fife and Drum and
there's not a worm to be found anywhere. TMP'ers buy all kinds of lead. Are they all loaded with worms? Please advise.'

As I pointed out in the email the metal we use is different from most other manufacturer's it has different properties (having under 4% lead content) and is more durable (and, as mentioned before, is more expensive) but because of the amount we produce (see above) it does need venting(i.e. worms) otherwise you'll have parts that don't fill. It's a bit of a catch 22 predicament. If we didn't produce the amount we do, we could go to Griffin or the German company (who are fantastic), but I don't think they could keep up with our new releases and the stock………although I may be wrong.
Now if we tried to remove the worms before sending them out, your order would be late and that would have a knock on effect down the line to all the other orders when you consider the amount we're dealing with. I don't think customers would be happy.


'And finally. The blame appears to be shifted squarely on the shoulders
of the caster. "He threw up his hands……"'

If you would like to read the technical bit again, I blamed myself and the mould maker. He did literally hold his hands up and he did want me to mention it, honestly. After our conversation with him, it's something he won't do again.


'Again, easy to blame him, but you accepted his miscast pieces and sold them. Who's looking out for quality? A question that begs to be answered. What about the guy who unpacked the castings after they arrived from
the casting house? He didn't notice, either? He didn't say anything to anyone? Again, why not?'

I think we might have covered this before. In any delegated job, you can't deal with a problem until it surfaces- it's surfaced, now we're dealing with it.


'When I was working in my former life, I had more that 60 people to supervise. I knew what everyone of them was doing everyday. I never signed anything without reading it. I often bounced paperwork back as unacceptable, because I would not sign my name to a document with
spelling, grammar or content errors. In short, I supervised. Now, I accept the fact that the twins are crazy busy and can't do everything or be everywhere. That's why you hire a supervisor to run the day to day operation. Perhaps that's the answer. And if you already have one, well, he let you down, didn't he/she?'

We are a tiny firm, we have no full time staff. We out-source the metal and plastic casting and moulding. We have had no business/management training and I'm proud to say we never will. We're doing it for the love of it, not for world domination. We like to keep our prices affordable for the general public (one of the main reasons for starting the plastic side of the business) so we have a minimal staff. Until this summer this was a hobby for us. We are still busy with loads of other things so we want to keep a ‘cap' on the company. So investing in more staff is not the on the cards. However everyone at the moulding and packing end of the things are on their toes now. Out of the orders going out over two months we get less than 1% returns though miscasts.


'But, in the end, it's your name on that box and it's your reputation that takes the hit when something like this happens.'

Don't we know it!

Cammy Jammy04 Dec 2014 2:09 p.m. PST

Thanks!


Just seemed odd to me.

BlackWidowPilot Fezian04 Dec 2014 2:12 p.m. PST

Wow. Just wow. Guess I've been lucky, as I haven't had a single issue with a single Perry figure, neither the samurai nor the Koreans foot or horse or artillery, nor have I had anything but courtesy, professionalism, and prompt responses to my inquiries from the Perry brothers…

And finally. The blame appears to be shifted squarely on the shoulders of the caster. "He threw up his hands……"
And we are expected to accept that he never mentioned this to anyone? Why not? Again, easy to blame him, but you accepted his miscast pieces and sold them. Who's looking out for quality?


I'm curious, how many subcontractors have you ever relied upon to deliver something to the end user, only to make a liar out of you and your company by not delivering as contracted to do, or delivering substandard/defective product? The moment you take any aspect of your production and/or delivery chain outside of your own building, you've opened yourself up to a whole new layer of human error and potential malfeasance at the hands of the others you're depending upon to protect your good name by upholding your standards without your direct oversight.


Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
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Walter White04 Dec 2014 2:19 p.m. PST

Good response Alan, thank you for providing some of the back story.

Cammy Jammy04 Dec 2014 2:30 p.m. PST

Yes indeed thank you. I am surprised at the vitriol in the responses. It contrasts poorly with your gentlemanly approach.

basileus6604 Dec 2014 4:33 p.m. PST

Not vitriol, CJ. Please, don't mistake a customer complains with vitriol. I have a shop (nothing to do with miniatures; I sell action figures) and sometimes I need to deal with unsatisfied customers. It is part and parcel of doing business. Sometimes I am able to deal with their complains and fix the problem. In other cases, I fail, either because I don't know how to solve the issue or because it is not in my hands to fix it (if Hasbro delays or cancels a release, there is nothing I can do).

nevinsrip04 Dec 2014 8:39 p.m. PST

Well, as the original poster I find Alan's post to be thoughtful, well written and genuine. He answered all my points to my satisfaction.

As far as I am concerned, I brought the matter out in the open, hoping for a positive response and a reaction. I certainly got that.

I know that companies are not perfect. No one is. But consumers need a voice also. When quality lags, we all suffer. I encourage others to speak up when they feel that they have are issues with miscast products.

This covers it. I am hopefull that we will see an upgrade in quailty and that's all I ever wanted. I am certain that the twins are men of their word. I'm satisfied with that.

We have worked out a replacement schedule and I am content with it.

The matter is closed, as far as I am concerned.

rhacelt05 Dec 2014 6:40 a.m. PST

I only wish this sort of thing ended this well more often. Hats off to both sides for handling this like proper adults. Well done all around.

janner05 Dec 2014 6:43 a.m. PST

I'm glad to see this one reached a satisfactory conclusion :-)

RABeery06 Dec 2014 9:59 a.m. PST

How long will we have to wait till the improved product is available? I'll stand by for some good reviews.

TheKing3006 Dec 2014 12:39 p.m. PST

We're doing it for the love of it, not for world domination.

Hmmm…. maybe I should send you a picture of all the Perry lead I have?? I think you've at least conquered my painting table – hehehe.

My three favorite vendors… in alphabetical order

Foundry
Perry
Warlord

PhilDe06 Dec 2014 6:02 p.m. PST

I buy a lot of Perry metals, and prefer them to most others for the ranges I'm buying, but have also dealt with mold lines, worms, etc. Nothing as bad as the OP or 45th though.

The only thing that strikes me is the "return the figs and we'll replace…" policy. I can't think of another company that requires that, or at least none that I've ever dealt with. Miscast or broken parts are usually shipped out either without asking for a return, or with a photo of the broken/miscast parts. I can believe a 1% return rate, because from the US, I don't thnk I'd mail anything back if I had to cover shipping on the return, so any problems wouldn't likely surface.

That being said, hope I never have to deal with it, but I'll keep buying.

Henry Martini06 Dec 2014 7:45 p.m. PST

I was required to return defective figures to Old Glory – from Australia! Consequently I only returned the ones I absolutely had to have replaced, and made the best I could of the others. As it was I paid $15 USD to return (IIRC) five or six figures.

Marc the plastics fan09 Dec 2014 5:12 a.m. PST

Don't start me on OG and packs etc…

Private Matter09 Dec 2014 5:53 a.m. PST

I can't wait for my annual bonus check in February because I'll be using a decent portion of it to buy Perry metal figures after reading these threads.

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