| Tango01 | 19 Nov 2014 11:23 p.m. PST |
Baccus has finished to re-sculpt the Napoleonic Horse Grenadiers and the Guard Lancers in 6 mm.
See here
link Amicalement
Armand |
| zaevor2000 | 20 Nov 2014 5:12 p.m. PST |
I might be mistaken…but aren't the Grenadiers a Cheval famous for riding black horses and having dark blue uniforms and horse furniture? Also, wasn't the horse furniture edged in Golden Yellow(Holster-Cap, Saddlecover, and Square Valise) ? And should there be a golden yellow cord on the bearskin? Sorry to nit-pick… The painting for the scale is absolutely superb!!! |
| Mike the Analyst | 20 Nov 2014 5:22 p.m. PST |
from the link "In addition to the splendid Carabiniers shown below, you can now get the majestic Grenadiers a cheval" which explains the differences in uniform!! The blue does seem light withought white lapels and waistcoat unless this is an undress uniform. |
| zaevor2000 | 20 Nov 2014 9:29 p.m. PST |
OK. I was just going by Tango01s tab in the first post which says … "Baccus has finished to re-sculpt the Napoleonic Horse Grenadiers and the Guard Lancers in 6 mm" So I thought these were pics of the Gren a Cheval… I was just trying to be helpful and help them catch the innaccuracies in case they wanted to unmount them, correct the issues, and remount so that the pics would show more historically accurate minis in the official catalog listing. Kudos for you going to the official link and looking up the actual Baccus listing… I'm sure it was just an honest mistake on Tango01's part. A lot of us are grateful that he is able to dig up so many interesting items from the Napoleonic period. Always something cool and interesting to discuss here thanks to his digging :) Either way, outstanding paint job for 6mm troops! Frank |
| Tango01 | 20 Nov 2014 11:47 p.m. PST |
Yes, my fault.
Sorry for that. Amicalement
Armand |
 deadhead  | 21 Nov 2014 3:29 a.m. PST |
It is so easy to confuse the original Carabinier uniform with the Grenadiers a Cheval of the Garde. The website shows the cuirasse version lower down, but you do have to read carefully to work out what the figures illustrated here are. Red epaulettes and no aigulettes certainly would suggest Carabiniers. Saddle clothing should be edged white for them and aurore for Grenadiers (orange/pink colour unique to France…"the colour of the dawn" Best match is Valejo German Orange though!) Belts buff for Carabiniers and white for Guard. Portmanteau square for Guard of course, but oddly round for Carabiners. Also, before the cuirasse they did have red lapels, but thye may well have alos worn a surtout, I have no idea. 6mm figures…amazing work, but no harm in nit picking if it proves instructive and not any criticism of some great paintwork. These are carabiniers in the early uniform that need a little more work to be perfect, if your eyes are up to that! |
| smltptac | 21 Nov 2014 3:54 a.m. PST |
Checked the link, these are the Gren. a cheval. The Carabineers (with cuirass and helmet) are further down the page. Cheers, Anton |
| Gozzaoz | 21 Nov 2014 4:33 a.m. PST |
The use of a lighter blue is down to the conventional wisdom that due to the size of the mini and small surface area, the amount of blue light that meets the eye requires a lighter/brighter shade. I don't follow this wisdom.
My 6mm Baccus are painted with the "regular" colours. |
| Mike the Analyst | 21 Nov 2014 4:44 a.m. PST |
Early Carabiniers here (scroll down a little) TMP link Grenadiers here link Either way the blue looks too light and the lapels should be white for Grenadiers or red for Carabiniers. The Cent Jours site does show an undress surtout but mentions but not enought to re-equip the whole regiment due to a lack of time in 1815. Perhaps 100 from 1814 were still in use. |
| deadhead | 21 Nov 2014 5:08 a.m. PST |
SMLTPTAC, Anton. The Carabiniers changed their appearance at least three times. They started in the dark blue coat and bearskin. They say it was casualties that led to the brass faced cuirasse and helmet that is shown in the second, lower picture on the site. Even then, by 1812 we start seeing them dropping the white coat and using a pale blue one (the colour of the saddlery) as is shown on Mt St Jean site and many pictures of the Perry plastics. (Even the armour was not enough to prevent them being routed by a bunch of hussars on one occasion!) The pictures top of this page are Carabiniers in their first uniform (minor error on the saddle but rest may well be right…see below). On the site you also see them in armour and white coats Mike the Mug. Your picture is very useful for original rig. It does actually show the surtout (just once) that I was wondering about. You could then just get away with a plain blue coat (darker than the photo I admit, but colours can be deceptive in close up photography, may be darker in daylight). Grenadiers could also wear a plain blue coat (again see Perrys') but both units look far better with lapels (red or white depending). Tiny paint job to add red frontal lapels would transform these…if so do the saddle cloth lace in white maybe? Again, only if one is really bothered. I think these are great and I am a 28milophile! |
| von Winterfeldt | 21 Nov 2014 8:51 a.m. PST |
could well be that they did wear the surtout, which was in fashion in the 1805 and 1806 campaign – very nice painting of those tiny miniatures and I like the black bearksin cap of the trumpeter very much |
| Mike the Analyst | 21 Nov 2014 9:47 a.m. PST |
Some old (1970's) H&R in full dress
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| zaevor2000 | 21 Nov 2014 12:46 p.m. PST |
Very well done Mike and the exact same I have done my H&Rs. The only difference is that mine are mounted 2x2 for Nap's Battles… Frank |
| deadhead | 21 Nov 2014 1:18 p.m. PST |
Is H&R.. Heroics and Ros? That takes me back a few decades. I do not recall them being this well proportioned. I have to say…and this will upset many…. they may lack the detail now expected in this scale (of which I know nothing I hasten to add) but they look like humans and not hobbits or dwarves. Their heads are in proportion to their bodies. Not bigger than their thorax, as is now the rule. They look like 28mm figs from a distance. We have seen incredible painting skills , with cuff buttons and turnback grenades, in 6 or 8mm scale…….from you know who, on modern figures. Not sure that these figures are not better than what we now see, but I work in 28mm scale…so who cares? |
| zaevor2000 | 21 Nov 2014 1:26 p.m. PST |
I went down the 6mm route years ago with Heroics and Ros (aka H&R) for Napoleon's Battles due to the fact that you need a Ping-Pong table (9ft x 5ft) for 15mm or even larger for 25mm… Going down the 6mm route enables you to fight out ENTIRE battles on half the size 4 1/2ft x 2 1/2 ft which means you can make 2 terrain tiles, put them on a gaming table practically anywhere… Really expands your gaming possibilities and gaming group since you aren't limited to whoever has a Ping-Pong table and a spare garage space… The 6mm route lets everyone share game hosting and also enables you to game in game/hobby stores and also conventions… It is much cheaper as well, but the main reason is that it enables you to game many more places. However, I must say that I have always admired the beauty of the 25/28mm figures…talented painters are able to transform them into true works of art! Frank |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
