| daler240D | 12 Nov 2014 8:10 a.m. PST |
This is a weird hobby. So…I've added(discovered) a new example to my ongoing gripe about how difficult it can be to give people money in this hobby. I finally decided to have a look at Volley and Bayonet as it is always mentioned as a perennial favorite here along with Might and Reason. Imagine how chagrined I was when I Googled it, saw the blogspot for it and went to the site and realized there was NO link or information about how to actually PURCHASE it. Amazon does not carry it. So, you my stalwart comrades I come to. Please…Does anyone know where I can buy these rules? I almost out of principal don't want to buy them now, but am holding out the possibility that maybe my google fu is not as strong as I thought it was.
Thanks! |
| Scott MacPhee | 12 Nov 2014 8:21 a.m. PST |
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| Regards | 12 Nov 2014 8:26 a.m. PST |
Listed under Resources section of "Test of Battle" on the Volley and Bayonet page. link Hope this helps. Erik |
| daler240D | 12 Nov 2014 8:31 a.m. PST |
Wow,Thank you! Incredible. I imagine there must have been some business rift where the designers don't want to support sales anymore because of some rights issues or disagreements?? Anyway, thanks. |
| daler240D | 12 Nov 2014 8:37 a.m. PST |
Ok Erik. I see it now. Meh… not knowing that "Test of Battle" was a link to purchase the rules, I did not pursue it. Thanks. I'll ratchet down my head shaking indignation, but just a bit!~ : ) |
 Extra Crispy  | 12 Nov 2014 9:31 a.m. PST |
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| lkmjbc3 | 12 Nov 2014 11:17 a.m. PST |
On Military Matters carries it…
link Caliver carries it…
link Noble Knight Games carries it…
link Old Glory Carries it…
link Hope this helps… Joe Collins |
| grommet37 | 12 Nov 2014 9:44 p.m. PST |
An excellent thread. I was searching for just such a thread the day before this one appeared. Then I just read a mess of TMP threads about V&B (and MaR). Two things I remembered, once I found the answer: 1) On Military Matters often has it. Relax and scroll. (OK, there is a search feature I missed for a time as well.) [1a and b) Yes, the supplements are sometimes on the same page as the rules. No, they're not always the same page as the rules.] ;) 2) Somebody on TMP probably already asked it, in an "about-these-rules thread". I just have to remind myself to read 'em all, there's lots of good tidbits in there (basing, where to buy, reviews). I'd be interested to know how you like V&B. That and MaR are likely my next two purchases. |
| daler240D | 14 Nov 2014 3:30 a.m. PST |
So as I read more about Volley and Bayonet, I am surprised. The second edition states that the rules are baselined on the Napoleonic period. I almost never see mention about these on the Napoleonic boards though, but very often see them mentioned here in 18th Century. Are people using and referring to the First edition? I see there are optional rules and supplements for 18th Century. I am generally wary of rules that are historically so broad as I wonder how they can really capture the flavor of a period. So I would ask, seeing how these rules really are popular and mentioned here a lot, what do you think makes them so suited to 18th Century when they seem to have been written for Napoleonic. I am really curious about this dichotomy. Are people using the supplements or the rules as is? It is stated as a Corps level game, and that kind of structure didn't really exist in the 18th Century. How does this affect command control structure? |
| khurasanminiatures | 14 Nov 2014 7:22 a.m. PST |
From what I've read, the second edition expansions were largely done to make the rules better to cover napoleonic warfare. I'm thinking about using these for Marlburian gaming. I think I might prefer something a little more granular though. |
| daler240D | 14 Nov 2014 8:00 a.m. PST |
Yeah, one of the things I like about Might and Reason is the feel that translates to Marlburian. You have the loose idea of "wings" and a commander for each one. Classic left flank, Center, and Right Flank that I read about it in all the history books.
I really don't like the idea and don't see the need to have a Napoleonic set of rules used for 18th Century. I HAVE liked the designer notes that I have read from V and B though and am interested in reading the rules and seeing for myself, but at 40 bucks and the possibility of maybe needing to buy the supplement, I might not jump on it right away. Anyone have a recommendation for the First Edition being what I might try for instead? |
| andygamer | 15 Nov 2014 1:47 p.m. PST |
The rules are multi-period (including up to late 19th Century); and there are two mid-18th Century supplements for battles of the SYW. There's also a fan site here:
link |
| ACW Gamer | 16 Nov 2014 7:20 a.m. PST |
" ongoing gripe about how difficult it can be to give people money in this hobby." Please PM me and I will send you the Paypal address to give me all the money you want. : D |
| Musketier | 16 Nov 2014 10:09 a.m. PST |
Somebody had to come out and say it – but ACW Gamer beat me to it… Army Corps as such are indeed a Napoleonic invention, but one that was prompted by the vastly increased size of conscript armies. Generalising somewhat, a SYW army was the equivalent of a Napoleonic Corps: A sizeable force of all arms under a high-ranking commander who was given some latitude in achieving his strategic objectives. So a ruleset that allows you to game with a Napoleonic Corps per side ought to work well for battles of the Seven Years War, provided suitable adjustments are imposed to limit the mobility of artillery, do away with skirmishers and make infantry more effective in linear formations – all of which VnB does in its 18th C. variant, if memory serves. |
| zippyfusenet | 16 Nov 2014 5:12 p.m. PST |
VnB uses Wing Commanders, where appropriate, in 18th century OBs. It's mostly appropriate only for the biggest armies. The Wings, of course, are not balanced army corps, they're all the cavalry on the right flank, all the infantry on the left flank, etc. Some of the big 18th century armies suffer from insufficient intermediate command. Suits me. |
