"2nd American Civil War" Topic

I have been reading various posts on the Very British Civil War, and I was wondering what sort of thoughts were out there regarding a similar occurrence in the United States. After the Stock Market Crash, there was certainly enough going wrong on many different fronts in the country to have triggered armed conflict. In my opinion, if the government had been just a little weaker, all Hell might have broken loose.

Thoughts? Opinions? I am fairly unfamiliar with the Interwar Period aside from zeppelins and a few aircraft designs.

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Check with commisarmoody on Lead Adventure Forum. I believe he's been looking at ACW2 in 28mm and is in your area.

Like all Turtledove series, it has interesting plots and boring despicable characters. Despicable, I can forgive. I cannot forgive boring.

There was a failed kickstarter called "1933: A Nation Divided" that was tried to get interest in this. It has its own page on the VBCW Forum.

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True John, but at least we knew EXACTLY what every last one of them smoked, drank, or ate…

Though the series is not exactly what the original post is after – a second civil war breaking out due to the great depression.

Thank you all :-)

ColDuncan, that link is exactly what I was looking for before I knew I was looking for it.

Take a look at the Crimson Skies "history". Another would be the old SPI game "Dixie"

There was a board game called Dixie which was a re-run of the American Civil War set in the 1930's. Never seen it though, it had very mixed reviews.

Yes I had hopes for the Kickstarter but it is one of those esoteric aspects/eras/genres of table top war games that just does not have enough resonance with American war gamers. Which is kind of a shame as it is one of those counter factual things that really had some probability to it as witness to the fact of what is known as The Miner's War and in particular the Battle of Blair Mountain which took place in West Virginia.

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The last link is a postulation as to what might have happened if the Redneck Army (a derisive name given to the Miner Militia because they tended to wear a red kerchief around their necks as a uniform marker) had won. The miners had real cause and grief to bring to the owners of the mines and the local authorities that were deep in the mine company's pocket for abuse and outright murder.

I have often thought about putting on a convention war game of the Battle of Blair Mountain. You would have the "Operators" forces holding the town and they would be outnumbered by the "Miners" but have at least a couple of machine guns for support and be dug in as they actually were during the conflict. The "Federal" troops would be arriving later on trucks up the mountain road only this time instead of welcoming the troops or withdrawing as the Miners originally did the Miners would have the option to blockade the road and fight the Federals to delay them long enough to take the town and kill or capture the Operators.

I would want to do this in 28 mm but it might be more feasible in 15mm or 20 mm. Thoughts on figures to use?

Kallman, when we did this a couple of years ago in 28mm I used a mix of Musketeer, Artizan, Black Tree, Foundry and others miniatures for the armed civilians and primarily Brigade Games interwar range for the military.

@ CoryfromMissoula yes I have been looking at all the manufacturers you have mentioned plus Copplestone has some good possibilities as well with the Gangster and some of the Back of Beyond ranges.

This topic has come up before and some folks then suggested using some Spanish Civil War partisan figures with a bit of conversion work to use as the Miner forces. I also notice that Old Glory has a nice range of both the period buildings in 28 mm and vehicles like trucks and cars that would be perfect for terrain and flavor.

Rules would be another issue probably use the Brother Against Brother variant Valor and Steel and Flesh.

@ Terrement I have Matewan on my list of films to sometime see.

The ACW2 game I am working on is set in the near future, but is also initiated by a stock market collapse.

A sizable proportion of the current right-wing American militia movement seems only too eager for the bullets to start flying; witness the recent showdown over grazing rights in the south-west. Set against the rapidly expanding militarisation of local police and Federal government agencies, it doesn't look so unlikely.

There was a comic called DMZ that was based on a second civil war during the wars in Iraq and afghanistan. The rebel army took too much ground while the military was bringing enough troops back to face them and they made it to Manhattan before they ran out of steam and the military massed enough troops to fight back.

While I have previously stuck strictly to historical games, this one has me intrigued, due to the possibilities for different factions. Maybe (with a bit of historical license) Okie Dust Bowlites, Huey Longites, Murder Inc, Al Caponites, (for the Dashiell Hammett fans like me) the Continental Detective Agency (aka Pinkertons), an army faction led by Dugout Doug, the Barker – Karpis/Dillinger/Bonnie and Clyde/Machine Gun Kelly Gang, Roosevelt wielding a tommy gun from his wheelchair and many more.

No one seems to imagine the effect on the North. Would Grant, having lost, have been elected President? No Woodrow Wilson. What about the movement of manufacturing jobs to the South? The mass migration of blacks to the north in the 20th century? Many, many questions.

The river monitors in Turtledove's GWAF series always intrigued me. Seems there is something that could be very fascinating there.