"New ISIS Recording Urges Muslims to Kill Civilians in ..." Topic

…US-Led Coalition Countries.

"A 42-minute audio recording by an ISIS spokesman was released on social media Sunday, in which the group calls on Muslims to kill civilians in countries that belong to the anti-ISIS, U.S.-led coalition.

"If you can kill a disbelieving American or European, especially the spiteful and filthy French, or an Australian, or a Canadian or any other disbeliever, then rely upon Allah, and kill him in any manner or way however it may be," an ISIS spokesman says.

This latest threat comes as the Islamic State group posts new pictures of some of its British recruits, and President Obama heads to the UN to seek an international effort to stop such ISIS fighters from traveling unimpeded to spread their war of terror…"
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Amicalement
Armand

World, get ready for more lone wolf attacks!

once more news fail in how they are given to people and end up helping ignorant to fall in extremist fanics easier .

striking thing in such news , is that each time a news paper miss the point in translation and ,willingfully or not , keep an arabic word as if it was a name it ends up puting more mess in everyday people thoughts and ends up giving more escuses to fanatism.

in the case of fanatics originating from muslim religions each time a media from other cultural and religious background translations ends up saying 'allah' instead of god it give more escuse to them rather then help breaking the -talk they were talking of.

In arabic and in islam religion 'allah' is only a word translating in god , not one the name of god ( add their before if you really feel like it but once again doing so give them more margin in brainwashing their own communities and pointing at you as a target to be).

all in all , it's even more sensfull when you read it properly :
"…then rely upon god, and kill him …"
and do show better how ungodly they speack .
but giving only the arabic word in the middle of another langage sentence do burry the real abuse under a false god wars ( kinda like greek or roman way of theology that is different gods fighting each other ).

here again the shadows of mutual ignorance and extremism do show how little are the possibilities to put an end at the disimination of hatred in the mouth of those that take faith as an escuse for their crimes or soroughs .

sad and offers bad omens for near furur would some have said in other times and cultural background ;)

Semantics,

They are inciting murder.

yes they do , and hope that some slum without knowledge will jump in .

And they count for sure upon the cultural clashes that were increased during past hundred years to help with .

among those islamophobic delirium that is a common thing in french internal politics for instance.

During war of religions period , if propaganda option could allow it no doubt some would have done same , translating german into french or english while keeping one word in original langage to say it was even more different religion then it really was .

by the way the arabic word used to be in common among various arabic-speacking peoples ( hebrews,christians and muslims) when they spoke in arabic .Gave clashes when christians jumped from god to jesus in the same sentence , but that was going from word to name .

So in actual situation , semantic do help brainwashing of potential murderers who may take this semantic error as a proof of being fighting 'satanist' or against prejudice.

And remember that many inter-comunity clashes do beguin by semantics misconducts , ignorant-based arguments and more often then not murder calls and acts .

Thus , if medias fail in giving a non-tendentious account , they end up playing murderous haters call a go rather then pointing out how mad they are aswell as how far they are from the religious teachings of the religion they pretend to be a fighting arm.

I'm as ready as I can get, Tony. You?

'lone wolf', rogue elephant', or 'beserk camel' attacks-interesting that their most hated enemy is right nearby yet you don't see them linking arms and conducting a human burkah wave attack across the Israeli border-nope, just murder the weakest westerner you can find, makes our culture and faith superior…

If this is deleted-don't we have a way of expressing counter-rhetoric without being censored? This board is too frustrating to comment on-in ways it's worse than the boobie board.

Advice-either allow counter fractious, contentious comments or put this board under the Blue Fezz or at least allow only supporting members access to it. It'll just get worse.

Just my two camels and a sheep here.

No real surprise … also glad to see the US and some Arab allies started air, TLAMs, and drone strikes on ISIS and another terrorists group in Syria. The first day in a long war to come … And I'm ready, with numerous small arms plus knives and 3 swords !

Reminded of the movie Mars Attacks. It was all a misunderstanding – they want peace.

LOL !!!!!

which mars attack one ?
can't remember one taking place on mars with martian fighting martians on their own ground unless you meant something along isis propaganda lines o'course

This will only get worse until Islam either deals with the festering cancer of Islamic extremism itself or we (civilization) wall up the extremists and their supporters and let them kill each other off until they exhaust the issue.

Plus I am getting so tired of politicians claiming this is not a "problem with Islam".

Of course it is. If Buddhists or Christians were out doing this crap in the overwhelming amounts going on worldwide it would be a problem with THOSE religions.

But it isn't.

we (civilization) ?

funny how this sentence proove .

civilisation is a multycultural thing .

otherwise I agree fully on the walling up of extremist for the sake of humanity … but that's not a one way cultural thing , it's about all extremists from all cultural backgrounds or confessional schools .

The problem isn't effectively the religion but the ones that do tell things about it that have no real ties to it be them members of that religion or from another one .

"Civilization" is NOT beheading those that disagree with you and calling for others of your religion to do the same.

"Civilization" is not forcing your women to subservience and genital mutilation.

"Civilization" is not murdering innocent civilians by strapping a bomb to your body in the hopes of gaining paradise.

"Civilization" is not calling for the murder of anyone who criticizes your prophet or religion.

Your absolutely over the top reaction says it all, I think.

Plus I never said moderate Islam was NOT part of civilization. What I said was that Islam has to solve their extremism problem by either destroying them or finding a way of stopping the ideology. Or all of the civilized world will have to deal with them harshly.

You apparently think that moderate Islam is not part of Civilized society? How odd.

This topic has gone South in a hurry.

PROSPERITY, ladies and gentlemen, is the key to world peace. Prosperous people, free to speak their minds and move about freely and engage in commerce and own property, i.e. enjoying the fruits of individual liberty at all levels, have ZERO incentive to blow that up. They won't listen to madmen unless they themselves are just as mad. Human mortals are imperfectly "made" through the process of natural selection, billions and billions of years old. So we will always encounter the occasional madman even in the most prosperous and enlightened world imaginable. This current brewhaha is destined to burn itself out, because the 21st century version of jihad is the first time that it has encountered a new way: worldwide democratic societies that increasingly treasure individual liberty. In the bad old days, Islam went head to head with Christianity, i.e. one old system vs another old system of despotic gov't. But NOW, Islam, medieval to the core still, is up against an ideology that the ancients could only dream of. The "American experiment" has spread everywhere, modifying the European half-baked version. When people taste the "American" version of self-gov't they are changed forever. All that is required to make that change permanent is education and attendant prosperity.

Then, and only, then, will fanaticism die from lack of nourishment. No followers, no cause….

PROSPERITY, ladies and gentlemen, is the key to world peace. Prosperous people, free to speak their minds and move about freely and engage in commerce and own property, i.e. enjoying the fruits of individual liberty at all levels, have ZERO incentive to blow that up. They won't listen to madmen unless they themselves are just as mad.

For someone whose forum handle is 'Great War Ace', your insistence on prosperity stopping all wars is quite ironic.

Wasn't it in 1912 or thereabouts that people were saying that the interlinked, international economies of Europe would make war so unprofitable that war was a thing of the past?

Let's not forget Japan, either, who in their attempt to become a prosperous world power waged war to get the raw materials necessary.

So I'm quite sure that greater prosperity ALONE will make wars not happen in the future.

A lot of the Daesh recruiting successes are not coming from the poorest of the poor, rather, they're coming from the middle class youths. Those who feel completely disconnected from the society that they live in, nevermind that they have made no efforts to connect themselves.

Bin Laden was wealthy. As was Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.

was mostly remembering islamophobics speeches that use 'civilisation' and 'we' as fully narrow minded way to limit thing to their own ethnic, political and religious group.Thus reading it as if you were separating the whoole community from rest of peoples on earth rather then saying their community shall do better against outbursts of hatred and ignorance among themselves.

I also suppose that those suicide bombers do not really do it in hope for paradise ( this was already a falacious propaganda escuse engineered by sunnit caliphate to explain assassins hits in the middle-ages) but rather a way to put an end to oneself when life cannot leave hopes of being more tastefull later on.

Still a dreadfull way to , but without knowledge of what they went through orlost that leaded them to that hard to tell and even less something to put on religion belief back.

On the death of inocent civilians , it does apply on however they were killed even if regular army operations do result in.

Calls for murders are regularly heard of from all over the world aswell on various scales and with even more various following.

behading is death penalty in many places and in those place alike in those were you burn on an electric chair or meet the reaper in front of a death squad , spies are to fear such end.

Otherwise all your sentence would be even better if you replaced "civilisation" by "islam" , for that's the main point with daash and equivalents : they take islam as escuse but do all the things that islam faith should have prevented them to.

And you forgot one of the most absurd crime they did : forcing muslims from another group to change religion name , and reducing into pleasure slaves.

And to end with last argument , it's actually already time for a multy-confessional awaking on the extremist problem , first by avoiding semantic failures at a time where information is worldwide and spreads the seeds we'll elvove by .Then giving better insights to communities on religious , political and human rights teaching to avoid extremist breaching through .

war to end all war then ?

ravachol…they would think nothing about beheading you. Keep that in mind.

or daash lietmotiv :
the mob rules all (under the cover of religious dissention )

yes I know , already stepped in such badminded ones by the past and sure to in upcoming days .

Meanwhile I keep faith on a better human evolution and do let go keeping mouth shot when feel like duty doing so even if I get smoked for it .

Else I wouldn't even use such war propaganda weaponery as computers and net

@Lion: Once war breaks out, you have aces and you have their victims. There's nothing ironic about that, just a fact of life and death.

The enmeshed world economy that resulted in the Great Depression began with the deliberate ruin of Germany's economy by the West, especially the French, getting revenge.

The economies of the various "allies" on either side in WW1 had little or nothing to do with the causes of the Great War. It was mostly old-style politics getting in the way, i.e. national identities at war, centuries old and in the making. HOPEFULLY, "we" have progressed out of that old world mindset, at least enough to not fall back into it again and view "hereditary" enemies as the boogeymen of the future.

We have quite enough to deal with in the 21st century just addressing this radical Islam problem. And it seems as if the "West" will be on the same page with solutions. Get the coreligionists of the Jihadists to take them down, and we can help them when or if they ask for our help. Otherwise, deal with any Muslim problems within our own borders, according to law, and the justice of applying our laws equally to everyone living as our neighbors….

VCarter for the winner!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

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bobby kennedy was killed by a palestinian but he was a seven day adventist not a mohammeden

Just a point of fact, Legion4: Lepanto was won by the combined navies of Venice, the Pope and the Spanish Monarchy, including galleys from Naples, Sicily, Spain and Genoa, plus one Maltese galley. Besides some Germans that fought as mercenaries and/or adventurers, there were no Austrians as such at Lepanto.

By the way, you forgot two major bombings carried by Muslims:

Madrid, 3/11, 2004
London, 7/7, 2005

@ legion4

you've forgoten the occupation of sourthen italia , scicilia and corsica during middle-ages !

which in turn were subbdued by normands well before spanish took them over in renaissance times.

Otherwise during middle-ages arabic wasn't the main langage in all muslim langage : it was a common langage due to religious dominant community still most countries did have different usual langages ranging from berber to persic , not to forget turkish and not to mention all asian , european or african ones.

Seciondly in middle-ages times only in muslim countries did you find jewish and christians perpeting their faith without forced convertions ( while europe of those times did bloodbath even their own religious brothers if they stepped toward other way of praying such as crusades in south of france or austria to mention only some of the biggest ones).

On cultural development we should be gratefull to muslim world of the time as it's them who did allow us to later on rediscover greek philosophers ( forbiden by catholic church at the time ) , gave us the basis of astronomy , chirurgy ( forbiden by popes aswell) and quite a lot more.

siege of vienna was one of the first full-scale propaganda multy-national story in late 17th century , but was aswell the last big war effort of ottoman empire until 1914, and was the following of a long standing border war somewhat unrelated with religion just an empire growing over it's neibourghs alike it happenened between same faith states and rulers.

You may also take in account that all eurropean powers in those days were having official or secret treaties with the great-pachas of istanbul.

On lepanto sea-battle , it was more about helping the republic of venise and it's colonial aquisitions then a true religious war .

On conquest of tripoli it was once again propaganda , the real thing was pirats and a good escuse to plunder their loot not a religious affair in itself.

now to badest point you gave : waffen SS
first hitler never was any admirer of islam but of satanism .
second hitler and nazi party were trying their best to get allies anywhere and to let them dream of independence day for themselves.
second in SS they also had croatians ( catholics), slovens , hungarians , bulgarians , english (too few) , irish , neerlandish , belgie, spanish ( those fully volonteers, the only ones not in a country under 3rd reich control) …
and the most numerous ones were … french catholics !

In contrast free french forces that did fight for liberation did carry many muslim soldiers ever since 1941 ( syrian brigade for instance) and by 1944 were one of the main effort element against nazi.

You should also study the rise of nazi in interwar times . One of their biggest claim was that french and english occupation forces had way too many muslims and soldiers of non-aryan outerlook .

Or the campaign of france and what happened to colonial troops in there ( killed after surender if they weren't european in appearance , with some european officers offered either to be slaughtered with or being given honnor of war and taken as POW .

now to 17 under age bimbotalks and white powa litany :

1. kenedy killing is suppose to be linked to underworld crime not religion even if others say it was a spy story …

2 they were targeted because they were israelis by terorist fighting to get their country back not for religious reasoin . ( zionist isn't a religion but a political extremist abuse in opposition with hebrew religious teachings). And PLO backed terorist were made of the same as palestinian population is to say christians and muslims for most part.

3-4 here again no link with religion but political struggle

5. on that one funny , they were in their country and making an act of war , they were indeed shiia muslim ( who incidently are the one fighting daash-isis and one of those that isis threat as not belonguing to the same religion).
You may also take in account the fact that saddam hussein was trying to invad them backed up fully by US governement .

6-here again not religious but political … much to do with US always taking part for israelis even when they use christiian militia under their control to slaughter refugge camps ( remember sabra & shatilla)

7 still a political war …

8 I will avoid to give the full list of criminal acts with same typoe of endings which are mobsters or pirates way rather then religious or political acts.

9.you know if you are in army … whenever you go on mission , opposing troop will never let you do just because you say you'r the good guy . theyt also shot to kill . be adult man face reality .

10 any rememberance what group they belongued to ?

11how for world trade center rocket attacks in the 90ies .. by european extremists ? this later gave a wacko affair ya know

12 yes … cheapest way to kill spies and conduct attack on a country ( embassies are main spy nest aswell as a part of the country they represent ). In this case extremist attack but not especially a 'muslim' trademark

13 not truelmly bombed … but then some say it was bombed inside …by CIA in order to get an escuse and take over afghan oil … well I do not buy that one fully but keep carefull . Yet it's prooven that talibans where backed up by CIA in late 90 in order to get a centralised power in afganistan but asked too much to us envoy for not to be taken off.

14 . mmmm ..ISIS propaganda in your own words ? almost shocking indeed !

15 yes …. re read up .. spiing ..death penalty …all that in muslim country and in a part taken over by extremist beheading other muslim just the same as others

16 how many muslims injuried ? how difficult to find an hitman to do job whatever religion he might be …could think al capone was most certainly muslim if we follow yer dumbhead reasoning

17 . you forgot some of them were aswell …among palestinians ..by israelis with US bombing ..

18 saddly no one thought of you as a valuable target

19 hearing could almost convince me .. to become muslim as you are definitivly too much outta reality … but keeping feet on earth I'll avoid giving ya such escuse.

20. please to speack to a doctor .. ya need it man , no joke

On their part,I guess that wouldn't give any result in military sens.
But then the more ignorants join their ranks the more useless actions may result even more if they think it might play against peoples way of thinking.

Something like deciding feebleminded ones to enforce a full scale war against their enemies who share same religion name.

In that occurence even if wipped out themselves all muslims becoming targets they would end up with a real global religious war.

now on far-right european extremist many would certainly love it counting upon it to ultematly go back against all equal rights gains … segregation shadows then back to slavery days for instance.

+1 to weasel

no not offensive nor ridiculous … way too true and legio4 demonstration is but one of many exemple one may find around.

anyone remember sam mustapha blue fez jailled for something unoffenssive but out of yer box while the offender kept on calling for afghan bllood (whishing to go in blue helmets only to slaughjters muslims whatever side they were…) ?

Great War Ace:
Right on the money. And controlling corruption so that the prosperity makes it to the general population.
Legion 4:
I can easily imagine a similar list made for Christian males, or British males or American males Hindu males or indeed any males.
ravachol:
Your points 16 and 18-20 above were way over the top and very offensive. Debate the issues and do not attack the poster. A difference of opinion should not provoke a death-wish.
Vos points 16 et 18-20 ci-dessus étaient trop hostile et très choquant. Débattre des questions et ne pas attaquer la personne . Une différence d'opinion ne doit pas provoquer un désir de mort.
I apologize if my French is poor.
Rod Robertson

Gentlemen, as I said, I didn't write that I only copied it … and it is "generally" accurate basileus66 and The Hound. Yes, Sirhan was Palestinian and Christian but anti-Jewish. basileus – John of Austria commanded part of the fleet … there appears to be at least one Austrian there. link Ravachol as Rod said,

Your points 16 and 18-20 above were way over the top and very offensive. Debate the issues and do not attack the poster. A difference of opinion should not provoke a death-wish.

Don't shot the messenger … Maybe you should check your English translation. Again, I didn't write it, I only copied it and again it is "GENERALLY" accurate …
And if you think that the CIA did the 9/11 attacks, then you my friend you may be quite delusional. I was an Infantry soldier for over a decade in my youth.

18 saddly no one thought of you as a valuable target

And in Central America, Korea and even (West)Germany, I very much could have been considered a valuable target as I was an officer. Thank you for reminding me … And I'm a student of history and have a pretty good working knowledge of the Nazis. My Father in WWII was wounded in your country France, fighting them. And if you are a good student of history as you appear to say. On this planet, what race, ethicity, religion, etc. … whose hands are clean ? And regardless if we were at war, whether, Christian, Moslem, Hindu, etc. if you are on the other side … you are a target …

1. kenedy killing is suppose to be linked to underworld crime

Robert Kennedy was killed in '68 by Sirhan Sirhan link John Kennedy was killed in '63 by an American with Communist leanings. And it was said that there may have been a mob connection.

9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.

He was not in combat, but seated in the plane in civilain clothes, and unarmed, He was excuted and his body was thrown on the tarmac. They were not in combat. He was a salvage diver, not UDT or SEAL.

9.you know if you are in army … whenever you go on mission , opposing troop will never let you do just because you say you'r the good guy . theyt also shot to kill . be adult man face reality .

I know all about shooting to kill. And being an adult. I served in 4 Infantry Bns in the countries I already mentioned. Did you serve ?
As far as seeing a Doc, I was at the VA clinic today … and I'm generally quite healthy, but thank you for your concern.

@Lion: Once war breaks out, you have aces and you have their victims. There's nothing ironic about that, just a fact of life and death.

I think you missed my point.

I was referring to the claim in the early 19teens that the globalized, interconnected economies of Europe (actually more globalized and interconnected than we are today!) would make war impossible because no sane person would go to war with their largest trading partner(s). Then came August 1914. So much for the insanity of going to war with your largest trading partners.

The enmeshed world economy that resulted in the Great Depression began with the deliberate ruin of Germany's economy by the West, especially the French, getting revenge.

The deliberate annihilation of Germany's economy due to the reparations demanded in the Treaty of Versailles is frankly what I see as the prime cause of WW2. A sum so enormous that it was a couple YEARS Gross National Product?!? What happens when you fine a man a couple year's pay? It's quite simple: he tells you to off and die in a fire, because it's literally impossible for him to make the payments!

I get the feeling a lot of people are secretly hoping that fundamentalists will carry out attacks on US soil, to validate their desire for war.

No, Weasel, I'm openly praying that the DAESHbags don't get so stupid.

But I am expecting it to happen. And when it does, the fecal matter is going to hit the air distributor in a most unpleasant manner. I can only pray that the DAESHbags don't manage to use chemical, biological, radiological ("dirty bombs"), or nuclear weapons of mass destruction in the process.

Because if WMDs happen, well, I don't think any US president will be able to avoid massive, overwhelming retaliation. Hopefully not retaliation in kind, but I'm not holding my breath. Most of the US was mad enough after 9/11 that they were suggesting the use of nukes, and those were 'just' airplanes without any additional explosives onboard.

Because the difference between DAESH and their Al Qaeda predecessors is that DAESH has territory that they directly control. They aren't like AQ, sheltering under the Taliban and not controlling a single village directly. DAESH openly and outright controls about a third of Syria and a third of Iraq.

DAESH claims to be a nation-state, and after an attack using WMDs would be treated as one.

There would almost certainly be an actual Congressional declaration of war against DAESH, followed by a mobilization of the US the likes of which hasn't been seen since WW2. At which point, may God have mercy on their souls, because the Americans (and arguably the rest of NATO) will have none.

It's a good thing ISIS is not Islamic, or I'd be worried……..

Just stopping by to read the comments.

Edit:

**** it. My post was not contributing anything of value to this debate and no one is going to come away from this with a changed opinion on anything.

Apologies if anyone was offended. Feeling frustrated today.

Last night in Melbourne they shot dead a suspected terrorist who stabbed two police officers.

A week or so ago, they thwarted a beheading plot in Sydney.

Immigration controls could've stopped this.

Not even the end of TMP as we know it.

Well, yeah. There might be a Nutella shortage. And I don't even like the stuff.

Panic is the only exercise most Americans get.

"I'm ready, with numerous small arms plus knives and 3 swords!"

What about ninja jammies? You got your ninja jammies ready, too? :D

Do Mutant Ninja Turtle gym shorts count ? Actually I do have 3 swords I picked up in my travels ! 1 Samurai Sword, a shorter Katana and a broad sword !

Legion 4:
Och man! If you really want to go all barbarian on someone's posterior, then its none of that namby-pamby samurai sword stuff! I have two five foot long Danish axes with 9 inch blades and a razor sharp Sparth axe with a fifteen inch curved blade that would chill the heart of any rational man and cause pause to the most stalwart hero! If you're going to go medieval on someone, do it right lad! Coo-Arrrh!
Ninja P.J.'s – what's the world coming to? Now P.J.'s made out of ninjas might be another matter! Far more acceptable.
Rod Robertson (the "Academic")

Huh ! Respectable Rod … Even though I have a CAR-15 and Colt .45, my concern is how much of a mess those or the Samurai sword would make with the blood splatter on the walls, carpets and drapes !

Yeah, unless it is a declared war, if I shot anyone outside I could get arrested … I'm big fan of ranged weapons, but I don't want to break the law !!!!!

Och! No, no, no! Ranged weapons are for sissies! If you must use a ranged weapon then throw the stove at them, … before you split them with the axe! But never forget that personal touch which only close-in melee can impart! Ranged weapons! Next you'll be talking about stand-off weapons and pilot-less drones. It's a shame what the world is becoming.
Rod Robertson

Sad but true Rod … sad but true … I think I'll on put on my Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle gym shorts and go to bed …

"bobby kennedy was killed by a palestinian but he was a seven day adventist not a mohammeden"

Are these seven day adventists any relation to the twenty four day adventists? I like their calendars with the chocolate, and wonder if I should be worried this coming Christmas..

Beating the dead stalking horse.

I got to agree with that OSchmidt … I should have rethought about copying and post that list. Again, that I said was not my writing, was heavy handed and only generally accurate … Causing some to over react … and get some to get DH'd … I was always of the mind, dare I say, in an intellectual conversation, many POVs should be explored, mentioned, etc. … Although after thinking about it … I am a bite concerned about some questioning my choice of what I wear to bed ?!