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26 Feb 2015 5:18 p.m. PST
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Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2014 2:28 p.m. PST

If the SYW and FIW were consider separately, the American Revolution may have won. Need a do over on this poll. I know they are link historically but I don't care, do it over.

spontoon08 Sep 2014 3:07 p.m. PST

I still prefer the War of the Austrian Succession. More players, more variety.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian08 Sep 2014 4:03 p.m. PST

Austro-Turkish wars
War of the Austrian Succession
American War of Independence
Pontiac's Rebellion
Great Northern War
War of the Spanish Succession
War of Jenkins Ear
Seven Years War
French and Indian War
Whiskey Rebellion

(top choices from last time)

Doug MSC Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Sep 2014 4:06 p.m. PST

I wonder how many people who do the SYW also do the FIW? They really are two different styles of fighting and have many groups that didn't fight in each others theater. One may enjoy the open pitched battles with loads of Inf., Cav, and Art. and the other, for the most part, has a totally different way of fighting and some may just enjoy this style. It would be interesting to see the breaking point between the two.

Personal logo Blake Walker Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2014 4:35 p.m. PST

My armies are for WAS and SYW in Germany. I'm wanting to add 18mm SYW Swedes and 18mm SYW Prussians to my forces using Koenigs Krieg rules.

Early morning writer08 Sep 2014 7:37 p.m. PST

French and Indian War and American Revolution for me – rather than the SYW (Europe or India – but maybe Caribbean as it relates to both conflicts I've listed)

marco56 Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2014 8:06 p.m. PST

FIW for me.No interest of the war in Europe but some interest for India.Also have interest in Queen Anne's War.
Mark

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2014 9:13 p.m. PST

I am sure Academe is waiting for us to get the right answer.
For now and for me it is AWI #1 and FIW #2.

Supercilius Maximus08 Sep 2014 9:47 p.m. PST

Queen Anne's War = WSS in America
King George's War = WAS in America
French & Indian War = SYW in America

The first and last of these, and certainly the last, were world wars in extent if not name. However, the list is somewhat eurocentric – here is a list of all conflicts that were ongoing in the 18th Century:-

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Note particularly the 335 (yes, three hundred and thirty-five) Years' War between the United Provinces of the Netherlands and the Scilly Isles (and no, that isn't a typo for Sicily). Only ended by a peace treaty in 1986 after three centuries and NO casualties – so not only the longest war known to humanity, but also the most half-hearted – or if you prefer, incompetent.

Here are lists of 18th Century rebellions and revolutions:-

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Note that the Bavarian People's Uprising of 1705-06 is referred to as the first "modern" rebellion, preceding the AWI by about 70 years. The Wang Cong'er is much more fascinating than its (actually her) name suggests and apparently did not involve a long line of people dancing drunkenly and with no apparent talent.

And finally…..

……who's heard of The Sixty Years' War? No, me neither. Apparently it's a term used by academics to define the ongoing struggle for control of the region around the Great Lakes in North America, and runs from the start of the F&IW (1754) until the conclusion of the Anglo-American War of 1812 (1814 – when the peace treaty was signed).

Dave Crowell09 Sep 2014 3:24 a.m. PST

I would be willing to lumpy the F&IW and the AWI together as "Wars in North America".

Sadly the Jacobite wars did not make the cut.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2014 5:23 a.m. PST

I for one would not want to lumpy them together. Why not lumpy the SYW and WAS together? Nothing but the usual Austrian and Prussian nonsense.

Clays Russians09 Sep 2014 5:35 a.m. PST

Zippee is the dude when it comes to FIW , beautiful collection and a fun guy to play. He could break it down, he also has zillions of Prussians and Austrians in 15mm, his F&I are 28's

Warpaint Figures Inactive Member09 Sep 2014 6:50 a.m. PST

Definitely:

AWI top by a mile then FIW

Something about the smaller and more desperate nature of the conflicts and the impacts they had culturally on the countries involved.

Also its cheaper to collect the figures needed and they are much more diverse and colourful, in terms of there backgrounds and origins.

Stew
warpaintfigures.com

DGT12309 Sep 2014 8:42 a.m. PST

I really enjoy WSS. Most battles could be won by either side!

Supercilius Maximus09 Sep 2014 9:46 p.m. PST

Field actions in the FIW, AWI, and 1812 all fall into a similar category – very infantry-heavy, little or no cavalry, and mostly very light artillery.

Mallen Inactive Member10 Sep 2014 5:11 a.m. PST

I agree with DGT123. I played WAS & SYW for 30 years and am so thoroughly sick of having to cope with the Prussians that I sold everything off to fund WSS & GNW

mghFond10 Sep 2014 12:43 p.m. PST

I love the GNW and WSS. I will play FIW and do on occasion but don't collect it. Same with SYW.

freecloud11 Sep 2014 1:29 p.m. PST

"My armies are for WAS and SYW in Germany"

Mine too I like it that they are very interchangerable, and this way everyone can fight each other :)

Re: Coping with the Prussians, IMO quite a few rulesets "hard bake" Frederick's genius into the rules rather than risk the wargamer having to be that smart ;)

grommet37 Inactive Member11 Sep 2014 9:17 p.m. PST

The FIW is fascinating. The SYW is fascinating. The whole era is fascinating, from the Beaver Wars through the French and Indian Wars through to Pontiac's Rebellion.

I had well and truly forgot how interested I was in Horse & Musket (or even Canoe & Musket) as a kid, some 40+ years ago.

My vote is for the Second Hundred Years War/Seventy Years War.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2014 3:11 a.m. PST

No interest in the conflicts in North America. Only played 2 Rev. War, 1 FIW and 1 Indian on Indian games in +40 years.

European games 1740-1763 too numerous to remember.

dejvid28 Sep 2014 2:00 a.m. PST

Ottoman Balkan disorders at the end of that century in which disbanded Janissaries and mercenaries conducted rebellions against Istanbul.

seneffe28 Sep 2014 5:47 a.m. PST

I'm sure this is different in N America, but in Britain, FIW is very niche market stuff compared to SYW proper, WAS or WSS. Although the American War of independence is somewhat more popular, its's also pretty much minority interest (I like it though!).

From my experience talking to gamers in continental Europe, the situation is even more pronounced. FIW and AWI barely register as blips of interest- although at least there is awareness of them- unlike the war of 1812- mention of which which really can generate some blank looks! Overall, FIW and AWI are seen as very much a minor sub-theatre of a British imperial effort which is itself of secondary importance to the main struggle of the continental powers…….

That position is reversed in UK as far as the c19th goes, with the ACW more popular than European wars of the same era.

But for the c18th, even Quebec and Saratoga, still less the ill-fated raid on the village of Sasquatchkeepsie (or somesuch place, you get the idea….) in 1754, are just not going to get into the same league of wargamers' interest as Blenheim, Fontenoy and Leuthen any time soon.

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