"Chasseurs de Fischer, Légion Royale" Topic

Hi All,

Before emarking on some light troops,

1) Is there some uncertainty on what was the exact headgear of the foot Chasseurs de Fischer (I understand that it is clear that the mounted had a hussar-style uniform) ? TMP show a 'Pokalem' rather like a jockey cap), Osprey mention a 'cap', and I'm sure I've seen at least one illustration with a short mirliton-like cap, not to mention miniatures of purported French SYW light infantry with a mirliton (but haven't found any with pokalems)? Once that is decided, are there any suitable 15mm miniatures on the market?

2) Is there a reason not to use regular fusileers and dragoons in 15mm scale as miniatures for the Légion Royale

3) It appears that these light troops operated in mixed formations of foot and mounted. If so, are there any rulesets that address this kind of formation?

4) Would it be legitimate to give such formations rostaing guns (at least for the fun of having 18C 'commandos', even if totally inefficient) ?

Have you looked at the Project SYW (Kronoskaf) entry for the Chasseurs de Fischer and the Volontaires Royaux/Legion Royale?

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Jim

Fischer: a shorter mirliton than the Hussars. QRF has some.
horsed but wrong for the foot component (though their foot could be dismounted ones!)
see the bible
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strange AWI type cap…maybe in 15mm some AWI light Americans in long coats would do. I think of Musket miniatures has some like Haslet rgt.

can't see why not use regulars with turnbacks for the other.

As for rules, these troops serve almost exclusively for petite guerre and have nothing to do on our usual battles.
Unless you do screens, raids, patrols and lootings that is.

Fischer does not, but Légion royale has 2 guns.

Sorry I mean't "Kronoskaf show a pokalem" (not TMP :-)) ! Definitely not a mirliton on Kronoskaf

not even a pokalem on the picture. a little mitre. Never seen it before; but Vial knowns his stuff.

It says 'pokalem' in the text on the right. Who am I to contradict ? Still the name is probably not so important. I wonder if there are nay contemporary pictures.

I am not aware of any 15mm figs of that type (or even that many in any other scale) – and this is only one of the largest and best kwnown French light unit of the time

Well it appears that Mouillard and print (which might be Mouillard-inspired) in pfef pfef.free.fr/Page_Principale.htm show mirlitons, while kronoskaf shows the strange cap. Others (including JL Vial's original article) just mention 'caps'.

Score 2-1 ? Shall I align ? It makes things easier, at least OG 15s have light infantry in mirlitons

The uniform depicted in Kronoskaf follows a contemporary illustration (march 1760) from Alfonso Taccoli, in his book "Teatro Militare dell' Europa", Part 1, vol. 2; published in Madrid (pp. 152-153).

I don't know if Taccoli made his illustrations as per textual "ordonnances" or as per actual soldiers…

Richard C.

…and here is Raspe's illustrations dating from 1762. The unit was then known as the Chasseurs de Conflans.

Same comments apply concerning the accuracy of the depiction.

Richard C.

Her are the decisions I made for the SYW earlier than the 1760s:
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Mounted Dragoons and Fusiliers a Pied: Tricornered hats.
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Chasseurs a Cheval and Picquet Company Chasseurs a Pied: Mirlitons
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Grenadiers: Bearskin hats. Could be tricorns.
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Battalion Artillerymen: Tricornered hats.
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Votre Serviteur,
Bill

PS
You can see a lot of my Fischers here:
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Click on images to enlarge them.

For the Fischers per the kronskaf illustration, in 15mm you could get away with Russian fusiliers (the other two battalions of the grenadier regiments – only the first wore full miters) with the spike clipped off. IIRC, Battle Honors makes them, though they may be in their early Napoleonics range.