"Getting confused with the shut downs" Topic

I'm not entirely sure I am understanding what is happening here. With talk of shut downs "overnight" (which is when in the global world of the net?) and who can and cannot post at what times.

Can anyone clarify what can happen at what times using GMT?

Also, why is this happening?

It's all to do with Frothers and a pointless waste of time.

Some think the freedom of speech gives them just cause to be stupid and they think the interweb gives them carte blanch to do as they wish. However anyone living in the UK posting race, sex or age hate is committing a crime.

Responsible debate is one thing what is happening here is far from that.

That is true about the UK – plenty of people have been jailed for "trolling" in the last couple of years and the police and justice departments do take it seriously. Even a single tweet can end up in a court appearance.

"With talk of shut downs "overnight" (which is when in the global world of the net?) and who can and cannot post at what times."

All the posts are tagged in PST which is eight hours behind GMT.

So midnight PST is 8am GMT, which is why partly TMP goes offline for an hour in the UK at prime breakfast browsing time.

Honestly… I would not mind if someone took them to court over it. This whole episode was and is annoying beyond words!

There was no shut-down last night.

Thought I would post this link for reporting online hate in the UK.

report-it.org.uk/home

However anyone living in the UK posting race, sex or age hate is committing a crime.

Scary.

That is true about the UK – plenty of people have been jailed for "trolling" in the last couple of years and the police and justice departments do take it seriously. Even a single tweet can end up in a court appearance.

Very scary.

Guess folks have forgotten how quickly "hate" speech can be redefined to include "unpopular opinion" speech of all sorts.

Well that is just one more thing which separates us, apart from our common language.

It's not quite as draconian here (in the UK) as the above posts suggest. The anti-defamation (or libel) laws are civil, not criminal, laws which require the claimant to prove that there has been a direct material consequence of the comments, so just being offended is not sufficient grounds to win a civil case.

However, if the comments themselves aren't libellous but breach another law, such as incitement to crime ("lets kill all the TMP'ers"), incitement of racial hatred ("Freedonians are all dirty donkey-bothereres") and so on, they can also be prosecuted as a criminal case.

There are also no such things as class actions in the UK.

There's quite a good article about it here: link

Yes, joking on Twitter about blowing up airports isn't a good idea either. Although sanity prevailed in this case.

link

thank goodness for a judiciary independant of the state.

Maybe it's not the law in the USA, but recently the owner of a sports team was caught on tape making derogatory comments to his mistress. These were personal comments and by all accounts the man never implemented any of the policies. These were his private thoughts.

The guy got crucified in the press and was forced by the rest of the league to sell his team.

Now, let's really think about that.

No matter how vile the comments, this man was in the privacy of his own home, talking to his mistress. He had no expectation that this creature was going to air his comments publicly.

And still the furor that was whipped up by the press caused him to lose his team.

So, now you can lose your property because of what you think.

God help us all.

Nevinsrip – That's a common misunderstanding though:

You have the right to say anything you want.

We (as in everyone else) have the right to refuse to do business with you.

Ahhh, the holier than thou press…………

@ nevinsrip: Jeez, what a way to misrepresent the Donald Sterling case. link.

These were personal comments and by all accounts the man never implemented any of the policies.

Really? link

And still the furor that was whipped up by the press caused him to lose his team.

If by "losing" you mean "being forced to sell it for two billion dollars".

Let us all shed a tear for racist white billionaires who have to give up one of their toys. They are the real victims.

Nevinsrip, the answer is to say nothing that you aren't prepared to defend in the court of public opinion.

Yes, the team owner was forced to sell via a clause in the contract with a private organization, who as far as I can see is within its rights to make such a decision. If it was the government that stepped in to force a sale, I would be quite upset. However as it was a privately owned and governed organization, exercizing a clause in the franchise agreement, they have the right to do it IMHO for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all (as long as it otherwise does not violate the contract or any other standing laws). The fact that the information was obtained by secret recordings that were leaked to the public also have no bearing on this decision: the NBA did not obtain that information illegally, but it was obtained via public channels, and how that information was leaked should not have any bearing on an organization that did not perpetrate that leak.

Damon.

Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from the consequences of said speech.

And the Donald Sterling case does not seem remotely relevant here.

To get this topic back on track (I wish), instead of shutdowns I'd recommend turning off new account registration in events like this. Or switching entirely to a 'you must be approved by an editor' system, which would mitigate it.

-Will

Acrylic Nick, Yes, let's depend on Wikikpedia to base our case on. Just the facts there, no slanted opinions.
Weasel…
You have the right to say anything you want.
We (as in everyone else) have the right to refuse to do business with you.

100% agree with that and no, I didn't misunderstand it. My point pertains to whether a private conversation should be the basis of that. Where should the line be regarding public versus private thoughts?

goober…Nevinsrip, the answer is to say nothing that you aren't prepared to defend in the court of public opinion.

Really, so you've never said anything that you regretted saying or wish that you had not said? Where does it end?
At your doorstep? Your home? Your bedroom? Where?

Garand, I hope to hell that Sterling takes his fight to court. The NBA may prevail, but an awful lot of their dirty laundry will get aired and they are scared to death of that.
Several of the other NBA owners have big time skeletons in their closets. Sterling's lawyers will bring all of that out and argue that what Sterling did pales in comparison to did.

Listen,I shed no tears for Mr. Sterling the person. He is what he is.
What I object to, is that private personal thoughts or conversations can be brought to bear in any case.
What happened to the expectation of privacy?

Who here would want their innermost thoughts broadcast all over the front page?
Anyone here who has never said or thought something based on stereotypes or race please raise your hand.

You can think what you want as long as you don't act upon it
to the detriment of someone else.

Basically I object to the "outrage" industry and all the politically correct bullsnip that goes along with it.
It seems to me that there is always someone outraged about something on a daily basis in this country.
Just give it a rest.

What does ANY of that have to do with the topic at hand? What does any of that have to do with miniatures?

I wish this forum would go back to just being about wargames and miniatures. All the drama and BS is really tiring to those of us that come here for news and information about wargaming. It's like TMP has become a playground for just a few large ego types with too much time on their hands.

Visiting TMP used to be fun.. remember those days?

What does ANY of that have to do with the topic at hand?

I think the connection is that the shut-downs occurred in order to protect someone's privacy, and he goes on to discuss privacy issues today.

wminsing. Its not just the new accounts. There have been a few "Sleeper" accounts that after a long period of time suddenly start chiming in.

Thank you Mr Editor.

"I wish this forum would go back to just being about wargames and miniatures."

Since users may choose to avoid non-desirable forums (either by configuring their homepage and/or not clicking on them) that wish has already been granted.

As with a few of the threads generated in the recent kerfluffle some inappropriate crossposting resulted in the occasional leak, but staff seems to have plugged those.

I wish this forum would go back to just being about wargames and miniatures. All the drama and BS is really tiring to those of us that come here for news and information about wargaming. It's like TMP has become a playground for just a few large ego types with too much time on their hands.

Visiting TMP used to be fun.. remember those days?

Do you mean the days when a "few large ego types with too much time on their hands" used to spend outrageous amounts of space telling others how much they know and how the rest of us weren't doing it right? Oh, yeah. I think TMP is much better off now – not so much Dawghausing and not so much being told how to enjoy my little toy soldiers. In fact, I would bet it was a bunch of those who were asked to leave in the old days that are now stirring up the pot trying to create trouble.

Well said Sundance.

I would bet it was a bunch of those who were asked to leave in the old days that are now stirring up the pot trying to create trouble.

Yes, the "ringleaders" all seem to be people who were asked to leave TMP in the past.

Well, the NBA was trying to get rid of Sterling for years. He had a great location with a losing team most years. Oprah and others wanted in and the NBA say and took the opportunity to throw Sterling under the bus.