"28mm La Haye Sainte from Battlefield Accessories(pic heavy)" Topic

Hi All,

so its a bit late (ie. I got trumped by warlords!), but I'm pleased to announce that the secret project a few of you have been hearing rumors about is finally finished.

28mm Skirmish scale La Haye Sainte MDF and Card laser cut kit. The kit is roomy…I wanted something that I can play skirmishes over…its not a put in the corner of the table kind of piece…its a centre piece. The buildings are all separate and could easily be used for any 28mm skirmish style game: bolt action etc)

I'll attach a few photos below. I've got the pig sty to make some adjustments to and she is ready.

I'll be bringing my prototype to little wars Adelaide and I might even get 1 or 2 ready for sale.

Pictured is the little known first battle of Waterloo in 1793 between the Austrians defending the Austrian Netherlands against the soldiers of revolutionary France!

The bottom line: I'm looking to do the kit for $175 USDau Not sure on postage yet. You tube clip with instructions coming soon.

It looks wonderful, wonderful , but……..is there not a sneaky way in for the French? I know the lads burnt the back door just there on night of 17th, but, would you not tempted to close that off by extending the barn? Granted that angle at South West was slightly different in 1815 before the barn burnt out and was extended slightly post battle…….but the KGL might have problems defending as it is here! Brilliant modelling though……

Hi
I have just recently purchased the Warlord Games one and hope to have Battlefield Accessories one in my hands soon also.
I'll do a detailed review of them both side by side soon on my blog.
Based on these photos BAs looks far FAR more detailed.
Warlord's comes in a box set with a swag of French in greatcoats and other miniatures, (great, more bloody French in greatcoat, just what I need) but costs considerably more.
Hmmmmm,… We are spoilt.
Cheers
Scott

Mon Dieu, c'est magnifique!

An excellent rendition of an iconic part of European history. And just in time for next year's bicentenary too (and Bastille Day this weekend). I'm really looking forward to seeing this in the flesh at Little Wars Adelaide.

Now, if only you'd done it in 15mm (hehe, thought I'd get that one in early)

Tremendous, well done Mike! Love seeing our Revolutionary figures in action too.

Nic Eureka Miniatures

Seems 4Ground is making a La Haye Sainte also!
And it can be yours for £247.00 GBP and change!
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I think I'll be getting Mike's version,…

Saw this in the flesh today and it is a beauty. Fortunately for my wallet 28mm Napoleonics isn't my thing.

Mike sold out of them at Little Wars Adelaide this weekend. It's a fabulous kit and looked excellent in the flesh (er… wood).

Wonderful looking kit Mike well done :)

Excellent piece of kit. Got this on Saturday at Cancon, assembled it and painted it by Sunday, had it on the table and in a game using Black Powder on Monday afternoon.

(French were flogged by turn 9 stuck in the woods and a regiment of three battalions turned and fled as they tried to assault the main wall. Farm was defended by six tiny/small units)

An epic centrepiece to the table. Cost $175 USD, once the basics were worked out using the online video it went together very nicely. Extremely good value for money.

I'd show some photos if I knew how to attach to a TMP message!

Well done Mike!

If it wasnt for the yellow cloths pin I'd think this was a picture of an actual event.

Is this to actual scale – it looks a bit condensed still?

Looks nice though.

Marc, you are right of course. Aerial photos of LHS in Weller or Adkin (or just off Goggle maps) show that it is much larger than we imagine. Walking around it soon reminds you. This "looks right". Consider the true "footprint" in 28mm!!!

Without being too critical I would change the west perimeter, as shown above, the stable block. In the very top picture, on the left, are three stable doors, on the right an archway. Swop the two buildings around. The archway should be on the very left, touching the great barn.

I think they are right in having the great barn stopping short of the south west perimeter, staggered like this. I remain convinced it was extended west post battle…..but that gap still worries me!

So, so, so glad I do this period only in 18mm, and not heavily at that.

Now, if you start offering some of the buildings from the '45 in 28mm as nice as this one…

But this truly looks like a great centerpiece feature.

DH – if it was extended post battle, what do you reckon the "gap" looked like/was filled by?

And I was definitely not being critical – after all, my idea of the perfect Waterloo farmhouse is… the Airfix Waterloo farmhouse

No, I meant I was being critical by suggesting the arched gateway and the stables have been transposed above. Plus, why not be critical anyway? If constructive. Just swap the two buildings and they "look right" then

I agree entirely. The Airfix Waterloo farmhouse is brilliant, if upgraded with model railway plastic kits for buildings. Window frames, shutters, doors, stone edging on corners and mullioned windows. I used two kits and extended the stable block (doubled it) to nearer the real dimensions. I recessed the gateway to flush with wall etc etc. Then I saw the Hovels version and thought it far better. It is still somewhere in the attic, but never did photograph it. Funny, Airfix left a gap there and filled it with a very short wall and a gate (see part 10 above) which all in Airfix Magazine agreed was a mistake (I still have every copy)

The south west corner and the gap? Today there are two doors side by side. The southern one opens into the barn and that, we are told, is the one that was burnt. A few feet north of it is the second similar sized one. This opens into an archway that leads into the courtyard. I think that is in its original site. I think the "open doorway" to its right, as you face it, was set recessed some several feet back (east) and that whole end wall is new. The stable block met the north wall of the great barn, just there was a "step" or an angle between them. There was no gap here obviously. Imagine how different, if….

Maybe worth showing a very old picture from Weller's Wellington at Waterloo (as above)…..just look at the size of the barn and the length of the stable block here. The latter is a two storey thing and much taller. Adkin has similar pictures, but more recent of course. Even Google Earth shows you the real dimensions…heck of a footprint!

For my taste a model of La Haye Sainte in 28mm should look like this.
Of course a wargame model could not have the right dimensions, but itīs no problem for a laser-kit-manufacturer to produce it more accurate.

My own model also is created on CAD, engraved and cutted by laser.

Wot? No pond? Glad to see you have whitewashed it. Whatever the evidence, it looks right to me!

Seriously this is terrific. Every little detail and back to the 1815 appearance, not what you see now. The attic windows, the shorter great barn, the taller stables, single door into the farmhouse. Do you feel the little building annexed to the north face of the barn was a brick structure? I have always imagined it then a wooden ramshackle lean-to.

Have you ever thought just how big the complex would be if full size in 28mm? As you say, unusable. This looks right. Great photography as well…

@deadhead
Thx for your reply.

"Have you ever thought just how big the complex would be if full size in 28mm"

Yes. I made 2 single parts as comparison …

That is quite fascinating! This really brings home to me just how sizable the complex is. I tend to still think of it as the Airfix Farmhouse dimensions, although I have visited many times. Your research has been impeccable. You got the one door right, the modern farmhouse has two. Many get that wrong (Airfix, no door at all!);

Solve a problem for me. I have tried off Google satellite mapping but cannot work it out……..what are the dimensions of the perimeter? Let's face it, the exterior walls are a simple rectangle, but how big?

Deadhead,
Sometime ago, using Google Earth and my office CAD software I was able to get a reasonable footprint for both LHS and Hougoumont.

In the former case, the building complex [excluding the kitchen gardens and former orchard], is approximately 160' [49m] x 205' [62m], about 32,800 SF.

Interestingly, Hougoumont's building complex [excluding the kitchen garden and former formal walled gardens], is approximately 160' [49m] x 220' [67m], about 35,200 SF.

So the two are very similar in footprint – it's the formal gardens, orchards and wood, that make Hougoumont seem so much larger.

@Ligniere

Yes, the footprint of both building complexes is nearly similar. From the feeling Hougoumont is larger, but it isnīt. Hougoumont is my next (also resized to a usable 28mm scale)Project. The South (Gardeners House and Barns) is ready. Canīt wait to see both complexes in our Diorama with 15.000 figures in June ….. ;-))

I hoped for an answer to LHS. To get an answer for Hgmt as well is wonderful………thanks to both of you. This is invaluable information.

A thought. Have you ever seen this info for LHS and Hgmt ever presented before on line? (or anywhere?) Think how basic this is…….and yet…….

This info could be lost here. I think it is important. I could not find it.

Am I right that Hgmnt complex was narrower towards north than south? Contemporary maps suggest a perfect rectangle. The walls that remain suggest the perimeter progressively narrowed as you went north. Yes, I know……who really cares?

I do.

In another 100 years no one will know. They will think there was always a visitors' centre in the Great barn. They might even spell it center.

Your model is superb…..but your full size sample one is just incredible. I wish you had not shown it. We can all dream……..you have given us a glimpse. Be honest, that is what we really aspire to.

I use lasers on almost a daily basis, but on human beings. The trick is to not ignite the patient or the anaesthetist's equipment…think Apollo 1…! Wish a CO2 or Holmium or Nd YAG laser could do this!