"Vallejo Color Match" Topic

I'm trying to match this with Vallejo colors--I was thinking Intermediate Green?

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That would be my guess too

Thanks, Gildas. I've been trying to find an earth-derived green pigment to use as a guide for Russia's pre-1815 artillery.

Vallejo Intermediate green tends to yellow.

This is a scan of Vallejo greens in the same range of shades that I have. Intermediate Green is 7th down. Of course you must be aware that your monitor and my scanner (though the scan seems fairly accurate) may alter the shade you actually see

This looks like some form of natural copper salt but I doubt very much if it was the pigment used for Russian guns. Far more likely it was a mix of yellow ochre and black but using a black that had a significant blue tint.

Also possible that it was mixed with an oil that gave it the dull, greyish tint (as well as extra protection for the wood).

The most common bulk black pigments available would likely have been wood charcoal and bone black. Both are fairly neutral hues.

Vine black tends to indigo, but a lot of vine leaves would be needed to produce enough pigment for an artillery park. :)

Shortest summary I've run into: :-)

Color of the carriages
Russian artillery was green, but there is little definitive information on the exact shade. Zweguintzow gives dark green, Gusev gives grass green. Models presented to Wellington and to Bernadotte show a mustard olive, while the artifacts restored in Russian museums display various mid yellowish greens. This color is often called apple green, but be aware that it is strictly an English language term and not part of Russian color vocabulary.
The eyewitness account in The Journal of a Detenu notes the bright green of Russian equipment, as well as patriotic slogans adornment. The Treatise … limits likely choices to either verdigris or green earth based pigments. Since the latter was non-toxic and very stable, unlike verdigris, and readily available (it is still used today) from deposits in Saxony, it seems the most probable. Green earth provides a bright yellowish mid green hue."

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I've been using the Foundry Phlegm Green triad, but it's too yellow. I prefer a darker green, but then they begin to look like the French guns, so no. A medium, not too bright, not too yellow green seems a nice compromise.

Green earth pigment comes from celadonite and glauconite. Its hues can vary from cold bluish greens to warm yellow/olives depending on the percentages of those two minerals. They are widely found throughout eastern Europe – the Baltic States, Poland and Hungary.

I'm sorry if I sound 'know-all' about this, but I do know a little about the subject :)

Yep! I searched for green earth pigments, and tried to hit an average that wasn't too dark. The sample I chose being labeled "Russian" was a coincidence…I'm not sure where it's actually from.

I never identified 'Russian Green' with greensand nor did I realise how common it was around Russia's borders – you learn a bit every day.

Still think you could achieve a similar colour to those descriptions with Yellow ochre and black. It would be cheap and easily available though the fact that Russian green seems to be used extensively for icons may trump that – Russians are notoriously superstitious.

Producing colours for artworks and producing colours for large industrial processes are entirely different things.

Many artists colours have, until recent times, been expensive and labour intensive. If you want to paint a gun carriage you'll be looking for ease of production, ease of use and cost effectiveness.

Charcoal or bone black, ochres, and perhaps some white lead would tick those boxes.