"What next after TYW, forwards or back?" Topic

I've spent the last year collecting, painting and playing 15mm TYW but now I'm getting itchy fingers for another project. I'm torn between going forward to the Nine Years War, I love the look of Lurkio's figures and would like to do the Boyne. OR back to the French Wars of Religion, colourful units and want to do Coutras but not really found a range of 15mm I like ( not keen on Essex ). Any thoughts, advice, tips and recommendations appreciated as I'm stuck in the middle!
Thanks, Mark

Back, 80YW, Armada, French Wars of Religion, new range of Elizabethans and Spanish in the pipeline from Khurasan.

My opinion, for what it's worth.

back French Wars Of religion … excellent !!

The French Wars of Religion would permit you to sample the Perfect Captain's excellent Spanish Fury rules. What rules did you use for TYW?

Back, Italian Wars: highly colourful, and got the lot as far as troop types go. As long as you don't mind painting Landsknechts!

French Wars of Religion offers a wide range of troop types. As a UK resident it also offers some nice French holiday destinations – I can always get my wife to go to France, La Rochelle for me this year. Have you thought about jumping a little further back? The Italian Wars; Italian holidays are also good on the home front – Rome was nice in May this year. I also chose SYW as a period – Prague again in September, with a day trip to the Kolin battlefield planned.

Something to bear in mind?

We use Peter Pig's Regiment of Foote with a few modifications. I wa looking at Spanish Fury Battles last night funnily enough! Couldn't work out which download was the actual rules!!

Both …

If you go back you will try to use TYW tactics, finding nice 15mm War of Religion will be difficult,

If you go forward all your TYW tactics may be out of date but not wrong.

If you do go later have a look at Irregular 15mm rang, I was pleasantly surprised.

You may want to go just a little further forward into the War of the Spanish Succession. It's the Nine Years War without the pikes -- you already have pike and shot and floppy hats, might as well have a clean break.

We've got a range of WSS in the works, some of it released already. Or if you want to go backwards, as said we've also got a range from the 1580s to about 1600 -- the Tyrone Irish are available already, and the English are just awaiting a paintup to be released. Spanish infantry are at the casters and clibinarium will be making their Horse next.

Khurasan, any update on the planned rerelease of the Testudo TYW and ECW ranges?

Mark

the one you need is the Spanish Fury: Battles rules or Pistolado II. The actions is a small unit rules set, still fun

It depends. Do you like more pikes, horse in armour and denser formations? If so then head earlier. If you'd like fewer pikes and more linear formations, go later.

Back: Twenty-nine Years War.

Forward: Thirty-one Years War.

Take it how you like it.

Go Wars of Religion.

The "Nine Years War". Only because of Pendraken's 10mm line

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and League of Augsburg's 28mm.

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Both sculpted by the very talented Clibinarium.

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Forward! And east. get By fire and sword rules, and you have a huge amount of troops you have not seen before. poles ofcourse, Muskovites, Ottomans. cosacks and tatars and swedes oh my!

I strated there sabout two years ago, and the shear variety of troops available is amazing.

It sound like you want to do new figs instead of using your old ones for a new period. oif so this is a great place to g. If you want to use your TYW figs as well, some of them will work, but there are lots more types as well.

owen

Thanks for all the input chaps, the By Fire and Sword rules are a bit steep at £38.00 GBP and I've already got Swedes in my TYW armies, really want a different period. Most of you recommend the Wars of Religion and I do love my pike blocks! I'm going to have a good read of Spanish Fury but still not too sure about which figures (15mm) to use. Just a thought, can I use the same figures for the Italian Wars and the French Wars of Religion??
Thanks again,
Mark

Some, kinda. Fashion had become much more, in wargames figure terms, 'Tudor looking' by the FWoR. Having said that, I've seen plenty of FWoR games using IW Landsknecht and Gendarme figures and it didn't scare the horses too much.

Forward to the WSS.

Or you could go French Wars Of Religion in 28mm using Old Glory's superb range…

A note om BFaS's price.

if I get another game for WWII, or napoleonics of ACW, I only really need the rules as I have a bunch of ospreys and uniform books and historys and all the other things we collect for periods. i also have a fair bit for ECW, and there is more out there that I dont have, but compared to the others I mentioned ECW is pretty thin on the ground.

the wars of the Polish-lithuasnian confederation are about as rare as unicornds in english anyway. I have 3 ospreys and feel lucky to have them. One hoistory book, and only a small part of it covers the period I am looking at, the rest is both later and earlier.

The rule book for BFaS is a wealth of pictures, historys and uniytorganizations. Exactly what i nortmaly dont want because of how much it pushes up the price. In this case it is worht every nickle( orshilling as well) of its admitedly high price. Forget the swedes, the Ottomans and the cossacks have a ton of stuff unlike anything else. Same with the Tatars.

And, compared to what I spent on figures the rules are not really a big chunk of the total. Like a moron, I am collecting three armys, and will add the ottomans later, so dont think you need a huge investment, unless like me you want a huge number of figures.

Anyway, what ever period you go with, have fun with it.

Owen

While the Italian Wars ended just a few years before the outbreak of the Wars of Religion wargames figures are just about always based on the "early" phase of the Italian wars (roughly 1494-1525) which saw numerous battles being fought. There is a huge diffrence in the apperance of military clothing and equipment when you compare those periods. Indeed the soldiers who fought in the early Wars of Religion n the 1560's looked diffrent from those that fought in the campaigns of Henri VI in the 1590s.

Clothing changed a lot during the entire 16th Century in a way that wargames figures seldom make allowance for. Using Italian Wars figures for the Wars of Religion is basicly like using 7-years wars figures for a Napoleonic wargame.
As an example you can compare this image of a Landsknecht swordsman and Swiss pikeman from 1524

With the Swiss pikeman fighting a Landsknecht in 1563

Finding the right figures for the Wars of Religion in 15mm takes a bit of work but it can be done and will become easier once Khurasan releases their English and Spanish figures, there are also some very nice Swiss pikemen in French service in the works.

Grumpy miniatures have the only accurate late landsknechts I know of in 15mm
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Part of the cavalry can be found from Old Glory 15s, hidden among their "Italian Wars" range you have "middle" and "late" Reiters as well as "late" mounted arquebusiers which can be used to reduce the reliance on Essex.

The main gap at the moment is heavy and light cavalry in the cassocks which were worn by French, Dutch and Spanish cavalry alike. Essex do a few figs which are decent but far from perfect represenations of the style. Viking Forge does have some figs on their website which look like they could be usefull but I have never seen these IRL.