"15mm Austrian Hungarian Grenadiers IR52/53" Topic

Here's my latest 15mm Napoleonic Battalion, a Austrian Hungarian Grenadier Battalion, with Grenadiers drawn from IR52 and IR53, both of which have bright pink facings (although some sources say pompadour, which is a darker shade).

The figures are from Blue Moon and I can highly recommend them, although the 30 man bag, which includes command, left me with problems when fielding 32 man battalions. A Warmodelling mounted officer helped out.

More pics on my blog. Thanks again for looking.

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Colin

Very Nice!

I do not know the 1800 period all that well. I do recall seeing this (IINM):
The grenadier battalions carried the Liebfahn flag instead of the other.
The inf units carried 2 flags like the Russians.

What have you determined of this and why the plan you are currently following?
Curious,
MG

Very nice although I am not found of pink.

The only time the grenadiers carried a liebfahne was in the 1805 reforms when the combined alt and neu grenadier 'lieb' battalion carried the lieb and ordinar.

Never been sure whether prior to 1808 grenadiers should carry a pair – I think not but not certain.

According to the Osprey book (which may be wrong) the 1st battalion should carry both the Liebfahne and ordinarfahne while the other battalions carried two ordinarfahne.

The Grenadiers may have carried a Liebfahne and ordinarfahne, but I'm not sure if that meant the other regiments then carried less flags.

Grenz had a Lieb and ordinar but only carried the ordinar.

The number of flags was reduced to one per battalion in 1808.

I only found out this information after giving my first couple of battalions only one flag, and rather than change the units I'd already based I've just left them as is and continued with that.

No Osprey is right in this instance.

The 1st (leib) battalion has a leibfahne and an ordinarfahne, until 1808 when just the leibfahne. The other two battalions have a pair of ordinarfahne until 1808 and then a single one.

The grenadiers only ever have ordinarfahne.

Only in 1805 when the grenadiers are paired with the senior division of the 1st battalion (neu grenadiers) to form the leib battalion do grenadiers carry the leibfahne and ordinarfahne. And technically this is still the leib battalion and not a grenadier battalion, but the grenadier division retained its bearskins so it looks like grenadiers carrying a leibfahne but really it isn't :)

In other words every converged grenadier battalion only ever carries an ordnarfahne.

My grenz 1st battalions carry leibfahne – it's easier to tell them apart :)

I'll probably stick with what I have for the flags – one per battalion. I suppose, whether its correct or not, its just a representation of the unit – and as there are only 32 figures showing a full battalion of a few hundred, one flag can probably be a representation of two.

I'm not sure if I have the correct ratio of officers and nco's either. I'm happy that the unit looks reasonably correct on the table.

I've also just been reliably informed that the colour should definitely be Pompadour. Do I repaint????

Flags at one per is fine – you can only paint them for a snap shot in time.

Reasonably correct on the table gets my vote.

Repaint – only if you're insane :) Find another converged battalion with pink facings and paint the grenadiers to match them and some pompadour ones for this one if you must. Not mentioning that virtually all grenadier battalions were 3 divisions not 2 in any case :)

At any kind of reasonable ratio, your unit would have no flags, no drummers, 1-2 NCO's and an officer. We're going for represenational, so one flag, one drummer, one officer and perhaps an NCO or two is perfectly reasonable. No one in their right mind is going to quibble with the ratios you choose to get the look you like on the table!

For example, although the Grenadier/Leifahne thing is as explained above, I happen to like the looks of the Grenadiers (only) carrying the white leibfahnen; makes them stand out much better. So shoot me – when it comes to my own miniature troops, *I* the Kaiser am, if I say the Grenadiers shall carry the Leibfahne in my army, well, so they will! :-)

Even the Kaiser has to obey the regulations, you are not in the Wild Wild West ;-)

I've had a few comments on my blog post that confirm that the facing colour should be "pompadour" and not this bright pink, but I've also had comments that the colours had a tendency to fade or run in the rain.

I'll be keeping this unit in the colours I've used, and I think I'll use the fact that there was particularly heavy rain the night before the battle of Marengo to justify my "faded" facings. Mostly because I can't be bothered repainting these, and also because my little girl likes the colours.

I wonder if any other historical uniform colour choices were influenced by 7 year old girls.

When I paint Austrians I give my wife a list of the valid facing colors and ask her which I should do.

Cheers,

The Bandit