"The Welsh at Mortimers cross." Topic

Looking at the forces for Mortimers cross i came across the following individuals.

Griffith ap Nicholas 1390-1461, from Pembrokeshire Carreg Cennen,father of Owain and Thomas.He was a cousin of John Dwnn(Dunn) of Kidwelly who fought for the Yorkist side at Mortimers cross.

Owain ap Griffith of Dinefwr castle 1420-1471 had according to list as his heraldry a Red lion rampant on yellow field.

His younger Brother Thomas ap Griffith 1420-1474 was the father of Sir Rhys ap Thomas also known as "The Raven".

Does anybody know anything else about these individuals with regards heraldry being landed Gentry but not Knights ??

Another two names are Hopkin ap Rhys of Gower and Lewis ap Rhys of Carmarthe. I am assuming these two are related? I can find nothing else about these two…

Any help greatly appreciated?

link has the arms of Griffith ap Nicholas as "or, a chevron between three ravens proper": this from the monument of a daughter of Grifith's who was aunt to Rhys ap Thomas: the arms are the same as Rhys' except for the colour of the field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhys_ap_Thomas) which is plausible if they are indeed related.

Coat of arms for the Welsh followed the family name not the individual as in England which is why i am confused with owain having a Lion Rampant.

Carmarthen and the Gower Peninsula are far enough apart that the two ap Rhys fellows (now Anglicized usually to Price) are most likely not close relatives. Rhys is a fairly common name. For those who don't know, Welsh are named for the father (ap Rhys, son of Rhys), much the same as Scandinavian names (Magnus Magnusson, e.g.).