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Trebian Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jun 2014 3:07 a.m. PST

Looking to refight Ceresoles this week using FoG-R.

I've put the orbats up on my blog: link

Be very grateful for any comments or corrections.

Trebian

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jun 2014 8:12 a.m. PST

Do you plan any special rules for the unique (afaik) tactic of both sides to put arquebusiers within the pike-blocks?

I am looking forward to that…

Trebian Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jun 2014 10:10 a.m. PST

Puster,

Good point. You refer, of course, to Monluc's alleged brilliant idea. It only appears in Monluc, I think, but was I was going to do was put arquebusiers in front of the column and let them fall back through it.

Trebuan

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2014 6:14 a.m. PST

I am quite sure I have read an Imperial account of it, which specifically mentions that the other side had the same idea and it resulted in a slaughter of the front ranks…

As the account ends with praise for the opponents Gensdarmes whose return (and acceptance of surrender) saved the lives of those giving up (while the enemy infantry was just slaughtering them), I am quite sure it was Imperial.

I will have to look this up. Must have been some years, and hopefully it was not just fiction.

Anyway the idea was dropped, as handgunners were probably more effective and flexible on the outside of the block.

Trebian Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2014 11:08 a.m. PST

I've found the Monluc reference (I have the English translation, which is a good read). He says the Imperialists had the same idea, only with pistols. The reference is odd, however, as it is out of sequence in the battle description. Don't have the Imperialist sources, but Oman does not refer to an Imperialist account of this.

FoG-R allows you to put firearms in a second rank and still fire, if they don't then fight in a melee. At least, it says first and second rank can fire, and doesn't say this is only if the first rank is also missile armed. So I think I'll do that.

After reading Monluc I revised my orbats a bit as well.

Trebian Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Jun 2014 5:07 a.m. PST

Description of the battle posted: link

Eoghan Mor11 Aug 2014 12:30 p.m. PST

I just spotted this post while catching up with (fairly) recent posts. We did a re-fight of Ceresole about five years ago at the Phoenix Wargames Club in Glasgow.

We used a combination of Armati/Advanced Armati and Armati 2 with a few extra rules to accommodate some of the peculiarities of the battle.

More details on our club blog at

link

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Trebian Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Aug 2014 12:56 p.m. PST

Eoghan,

As a group we like the Armati Ren option. We're still waiting for the revised rules to come out.

It's failure to appear is probably one of the reasons we're looking at FoG-R.

Trebian

Eoghan Mor14 Aug 2014 3:01 a.m. PST

Trebian

We're in the same position. We play a fair bit of Armati and were waiting for the new Renaissance version to be released. We've tried Renaissance Principles of War which were okay, but not quite what we were looking for. I've only played two games of FoG:R but it seems promising so far. The other rule set that looks interesting is Basic Baroque. I like Impetus so will give it a try sometime.

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mrkprkr06 Jul 2015 9:54 p.m. PST

I also vote for Impetus

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