"Khurasan Miniatures Elizabethan Range" Topic

Hello. I confess to being impatient about the future release of both the Spanish and the English forces for said range. Unfortunately there is very little information about when this will happen. The webpage is not forthcoming with any information, either.

I am aware that the talented sculptor, Clibinarium, has intervened in threads, but I want to see and know more!

He has mentioned possible changes to certain pike figures, the release of musketeers…in fact, snippets of information which on this forum and in this day and age are frankly, underwhelming ;-)

Not to mention this range!

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It takes months, and sometimes years, for a range to be completed. The English are finally finished up to casting and just need to be painted to be completed. I'm sending the painting samples off to the UK today.

The Spanish infantry are done and awaiting casting. They've been done for a while but there is such a backlog at the various casters I use that I can't find anyone to make the moulds. Clib and I are discussing the Spanish cavalry right now. He has just completed English and Spanish musketeers (most foot had arquebus/caliver but the musket was increasing in prominence as 1600 got closer).

They look fantastic, will wait as long as needed.

I hope not have been misinterpreted, my posting was just a veiled compliment to the company on its choice of range. The expectation -call it impatience- for its appearance is shared with other members…and is a very good thing.

We would, however, love to see some pictures.

Thanks for the great work!

It takes months, and sometimes years, for a range to be completed.

Well, that must be the reason. Let's see. Figures sculpted. Check! Figures painted. Check! Put on Sweetwater Forum. Check!

which we will be releasing next week

Dated the 26th of May, 2011! Epic Fail!

Well, they are my ranges. I pay for them, provide the references, correct any errors, make sure they are correctly cast, and pay for the production castings. They are mine to release if and when I want.

And which one is it? Or is it any of those? If you found out, after further research, that they are wrong, just say so. Holding them back for a comprehensive range release further on, just say so.

They are mine to release if and when I want.

Reeks of a petulant kid taking his ball and going home!

Cyrus, stop it! Stop it I tell you, or they'll never be released!

And yes, Khurasanminiatures, what you say is true, though for the life of me, I cannot quite grasp why you would want to state the obvious.

Please fell free to release them at your convenience.

And which one is it? Or is it any of those? If you found out, after further research, that they are wrong, just say so. Holding them back for a comprehensive range release further on, just say so.

As soon as you tell me why you're entitled to an explanation I'll give you one.

Reeks of a petulant kid taking his ball and going home!

Irony-proof.

And yes, Khurasanminiatures, what you say is true, though for the life of me, I cannot quite grasp why you would want to state the obvious.

If you had people stating the opposite of what's obvious to you over and over again, eventually you might be goaded into stating the obvious.

I can't comment on the Caucasus range as I'm not involved in that, though I do not dissent from the points Jon makes about it.

On the subject of the thread, the Elizabethan stuff, as Jon points out it takes many months of work, and sometimes years to bring a range to fruition. Khurasan is quite proactive in previewing stuff, so you often get to see a range in gestation (plus don't forget the volume of new releases which outstrips many other companies).
The Elizabethan range is also complicated in that it has grown well beyond the original plan, which was just supposed to cover the English to go along with the Irish range. We then thought some Spanish allies would be needed for the Irish, and that has now become the Spanish army of Flanders. Initially we didn't think we'd need musketeers, but a bit more reading showed we certainly did, and they have just been completed, Spanish horse and generic artillery are next.
Currently we are considering adding the Dutch, but that's still to be decided upon.

The gradual expansion of the ambition of the range, and the fact that I am busier now than at the start of the project has meant its been slow going to some extent, but its progressed as fast as practical limits will allow.
So for Quebecnordiques, so long as you don't mind being teased more, here's a pic of the recently completed musketeers. They are a bit jumbled but reading left to right 1,2,6 and 8 are Spanish, 3,4,5, and 7 are English.

A big thank you to Jon and clibinarium for the stuff you have made. It's filling a big hole in the wargames market and I think we are all great full for all the work you have both put in. Those musketeers look marvellous by the way.

As soon as you tell me why you're entitled to an explanation I'll give you one.

Well, I assume you're a business. I know you are a part-time, one man operation, but you are a businessman. You have a range sculpted and have Artmaster Studio paint samples and Post them on Sweetwater Forum. You then say,"Will release them next week once the codes are all packed for sale." That was on May 26, 2011 and then nothing.

If as a businessman, you had stated I commissioned this range, but, on second thought, I don't think it will be commercially viable, that would've been that. You have done this in the past. Why not now?

I have worked in this industry 40 years, in retail. I have answered customers questions every day. Sometimes the same question over and over again. It comes with the territory. It's much more than just filling orders.

Who are you? Are you a customer of mine? All I see is a screen name, Cyrus the Great.

Frankly, even if you are a customer, I'm not sure why responding to demands for release of future ranges I have made is really part of customer service. Customer service has to do with fulfilling orders and answering inquiries about existing products. "Where's my order?" "May I order these models from this pack?" "Is this currently in stock?" I respond promptly to all such inquiries.

Yes, "Have you released this yet" is also part of customer service. Buy "Why haven't you released this yet -- epic fail" is not part of customer service, it's entitlement.

It would be different if this were a kickstarter and I'd taken people's money and then waiting however long to release them. But I have not taken a penny from anyone. I do not "owe" anyone a release of miniatures that I have entirely funded on my own.

Over the past six years I have released approximately 60 ranges of miniatures, some larger than others. That's approaching one range a month, but apparently that's not good enough. I continually assess where my time in working with sculptors and casters, updating my store, previewing models, and fulfilling orders is best spent. Doing all this is quite a chore, but one of the only truly enjoyable aspects of it is being able to preview the models. Most of the rest of it is drudgery -- I don't even get to paint or game with the models anymore. Now the implication is that I'm not permitted to have even that small enjoyment unless I then release the models on your timetable.

There's a simple solution. I always title my threads "Khurasan previews…". If its that deeply bothersome to you, don't look -- wait until the thread is posted that says "Khurasan releases…".

Would the Dutch look very different to the English and Spanish ?

Thank you Clibanarium. Those figures are extraordinary. The hats and that most difficult of helmets to sculpt correctly, the morion, are a dream.

You are indeed an artist, I sincerely mean that.

Having said the niceties, I still completely fail to understand the reaction this thread has caused.

Of the four posters, I, Quebecnordiques, love your range, Clibanarium has been politely forthcoming, Knight of St John is patient and appreciative and Cyrus the Great had initially only taken a dig at meeting deadlines.

The consequent argument is something that should never have happened.

Clibanarium, if you should need more information on the Army of Flanders,I would be pleased to help uninterestedly.

Oops, Sorry, please read disinterestedly. With loads of interest but not expecting any gain from it.

Thanks for the kind words. You are right about the helmets, the comb morion particularly, they usually take several attempts to get right, I might have to do some minor corrections to those in the photos.

I had already mistakenly read "uninterestedly" to mean "disinterestedly" in that earlier post! Yes by all means if you'd like to volunteer some info that would be great, most of the Spanish infantry are already done, but the cavalry is about to start, so if you want to advice me about their appearance I'll be interested. I am using Ian Heath's "Armies of the Sixteenth Century…" as my main source, plus some other stuff culled from the net, some helpful stuff has appeared in another thread on this board, "Spanish Cavalry in 1600" or something similar.

Clibinarium, send me an email address. I'll get back to you. Regards.

clibinarium AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk

cheers

These are 15mm? Or 25mm?

15mm.

ANY PROGRESS ON THIS LINE? tHEY LOOK AMAZING!!!!!!!

Another one looking forward to seeing the release of this range…

Here, too. Going on two years.

This range would be sweet.

I'd be interested to know how the Early Henry VIII range (c.1513) is progressing, too.

Well, its been a long road with these guys, but I've been given the nod that they have finally been released.

And very good they look as well

Is this on the Khurasan site as late 16th century?

I'm surprised you remember these clibinarium!
I really like these as I do all your stuff, but he sat on them for far too long for me I'm afraid.

I am getting tired of the wait also and have moved on after getting a pile of his Germans. But I might sell them as I really dont want to start painting them while so much is missing that has already been sculpted.

I'll take them is you're selling. J_tipping@hotmail.com

If

Thanks Jtipp I will get back to you. I have some gemers in our club who have voiced an intrest, so if I do sell and they dont take them then I will contact you.
William