"OK WHAT HAS TANGO DONE TO GET EVERYONE SO MAD AT HIM." Topic

I don't know him, don't correspond with him, saw some posts on "Needs More Boobies" but I've been on a lot of boards and don't see him posting much.

Nobody is mad at him and he has not broken any forum rules.

Can we please stop these Tango threads?

Everything is cool now – The Editor (may he live forever) has upped the front page threads list from 200 to 400, giving a very reasonable 4-5 days of threads (more than enough for anyone).

The people who lost their temper to the extent of breaking forum ettiquette have been dawghoused.

Tango01 can carry on posting without being shouted at.

No-one had to die.

Actually they WILL find something to bitch about. Out of the 400, 300 will be by Armand.
As I said before, nothing will make them happy.

Actually they WILL find something to bitch about. Out of the 400, 300 will be by Armand. grin
As I said before, nothing will make them happy.

Let's just wait and see, shall we?

Befuddlement.

SOMEBODY must have an axe to grind, I see a whole squad of people got dog housed for comments made which seemed to have something to do with him. I saw

Yes – they did. They were complaining (again) that he posted too often. They have gained a concession from The Editor (may he live forever) and everything is fine now.

There is a list of things that will get one dawghoused in the FAQs – some people allowd themselves to go too far and broke one or more of these rules. Some of them did it a lot.

HURRAY FOR OUR EDITOR!!!

What have we done to get yet another boring thread on this, and all in capital letters no less?

I have been far too busy laughing to do anything more than dip in to perhaps two Tango threads, and that mostly to stir, but given all the excitement etc. I cannot resist the temptation to ask.. in this post Tango, super stifle, former war zone and its unaccustomed calm, why was there so much excitement about that and so little about other totally useless threads?
Today we had someone telling us that uncharacteristically they were going to buy uniform reference works – did we need to know that? Or the endless – "I shall buy a box" that pass as contributions to almost every plastic offering announced here… do we need to know that? Why is it that all these avoid ire whereas our T friend, spam or whatever was/is posting things that might be of interest. Add up all the "I may buy a box" and "if these were in 47mm I might consider them" and you probably have a fairly chunky body of posts – so a pure volume answer cannot be the sole reason…

Chuckle Chuckle Chuckle (and I still adore the guy who called me asinine for answering his so serious question with a one word serious – if tongue in cheek – answer!)
Tolerance, beauty and light.. Zen…

You are interrupting my concentrating on a really important topic, who's going to win Dancing with the Stars tonight….

T of course!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!

"Out of the 400, 300 will be by Armand."

As long as I can still see the other 100 that is fine by me, and I like some of Tangos posts too.

Anyway, the fuss has died down now, why dig it all up again.

Long live the Dear Leader and his 400 posts taking us forwards to victory.

As far as I am concerned, this debate is over, at least for now.

Let's wait and see if the 400 thread change helps.

Even if it doesn't, I'm hopeful Bill will implement the over stifle, allowing this who wish to "opt-out" of Tango, and hopefully allowing everyone on both sides to coexist happily.

I wish the OFM and others would give us some benefit of the doubt, and stop alleging that we are going to keep complaining about Tango even after an over stifle is implemented, but the best way to meet that unwarranted accusation is to wait, and prove John wrong.

I'm not sure whether all that many people are actually mad at Tango01.

Rather, I think that it may be more of a question of people being mad at each other, as they polarize (or are being polarized) into pro- and anti-Tango01 camps, and the rhetoric and accusations fly…

Where is that train in the photo at RavenscraftCybernetics?

Chokidar, all of those "me too" and old argument rehashing posts are perfectly cromulent. Actually creating content is a great way to generate systematic jealousy and strife. Hence everybody targets Tango because he actually contributes.

Oliver –
Tango posts frequently, which takes up a large amount of the Front Page. A number of TMP'rs didn't like this. Most didn't actually dislike the man, just what he was doing. Some, a very few have a problem with the man, their ego's being ramped up and blame always comes about when this happens.

All of this has been mitigated by Bill expanding the Front Page to 400 posts if you so desire.

I have no problem with Tango or his number of posts.

Dear Wrgamer1.

Ah, thank you, a straight answer after 20 posts.

Well I can see how some would be unhappy about this, but maybe if someone asked him not to post so many at once it would serve to convince him to town it down. Why does every one jump to threats, calumny, and litigation.

I understand now but I never look at the Front page in fact I largely ignored that it was there. I have a few communities of interest and I go to them directly.

So I never noticed.

Thanks for the straight answer.

Otto (it's Otto, not Oliver).

Otto,

Many of us have asked Tango MANY times to tone down his posting. We aren't stupid or unreasonable, we tried that already, and he won't even discuss it with us. And, under the rules, he has every right to post as often as he wants, and he has no obligation to respond to us either.

But before accusing people of acting unreasonably, over an issue you apparently know nothing about, how about doing a little research first? What Wargamer and I have said here has been stated in far greater detail in numerous threads about this.

Dear Ivan DBA

If he was acting unreasonably then he has the ire of people for a justifiable reason. I disagree with you that it is simply enough that "under the rules he has every right to post as often as he wants, and he has no obligation to respond to you either." That is clearly out of bounds conduct, muck like someone in a game doing something completely cheesy and smirking "The rules don't say I can't" There is, in social action, a code of gentlemanly conduct which one must observe that is not written down anywhere but is as inflexible as if it was engraved in granite.

I DID know nothing about it, because I don't frequent these areas and only when it slopped over into areas I go to did I become aware of it. As for criticizing me for not researching it, I submit that almost 20 sometimes very snarky comments here would indicate a far greater problem than Tango, and that as I said, only Wargamer took the time to drop the snark and answer the question.

As I said, if Tango has acted the way you say, and I do not doubt you, then the conduct is clearly out of line. Again, I do not feel that he is free to do what he wants just because there are no rules that prevent him.

Dear Otto,

My apologies for getting your name incorrect.

I forgot to add that it is not only the number of posts Tango has but the content that bothers some people.
He sometimes posts thing that have already been posted, and general items that he feels would be interesting to the community.

You are correct in that once a gentleman is confronted with behavior in a game that is not in the flavor of the game, he should change his ways. I have encountered several times that once this is pointed out the persons ego is now fully ramped up, anger and blame being the result. It is a human thing. Some would apologize for their behavior and change their ways. Others, not so.

When it comes to posting on TMP, it tends to be egoic anyway. The ego needs recognition for whatever reason.

JMHO.

Regards,
Thomas

Why do you assume we are gentlemen or that we follow (or even want to follow) a gentleman's code of conduct? A gentleman is nothing more than an idiot who tells his peasant underlings to march in close formation against machine-gun nests.

A gentleman is nothing more than an idiot who tells his peasant underlings to march in close formation against machine-gun nests.

You have a strange concept of what consitutes a gentleman!

No, I've merely read too much about "gentlemen" officers of the 19th and early 20th Century wars. Think of the Tiger in Africa scene from The Meaning of Life.

A gentleman gamer plays by the rules, does not knowingly cheat, and shakes your hand with a smile after the game, even if he lost.

Rebelyell2006:
What was done by supposed gentlemen in the 19th and early 20th centuries was not gentlemanly, it was slaughter. Fortunately, as gamers and re-creators of historical battles, we can sit comfortably in our chairs and not have to suffer.
However I would venture to guess that most of us would not allow ourselves to do what they did, either as officers or soldiers.
I've served in the military and found a number of so called gentlemen, that were not.

Regards,
Thomas

Otto,

I'm sorry for my harsh response. Thank you for your patient reply.

On the other hand – what Tango01 does actively irritates a very small percentage of the TMP membership, born out by the numerous threads on the subject by the same people.

There is at least an equal mumber of people that find a good proportion of his posts useful.

There is a very large number who clearly don't care either way.

Since the number of posts remaining visible on the front page has recently been increased to 400 it is possible to keep ~4-5days worth of threads visible (more if some boards of no interest are set to be ignored). Tango01 is not "bumping all the intersting threads off the front page" (not that he really was before).

That even this change has not taken the heat out of this debate for some people is indicative that, for them, the debate was never really about the threads visible on the front page. IMO.

Ok – so with your settings each day you get to see 10 or 12 items from one person one after another (or pretty close to)….why (I really do hesitate to ask) is that such a problem ?

If you saw the exact same 10 or 12 items but with different posting names attached to each one would that be ok?

You are aware, I imagine, that life is very rarely perfect – and never on the internet?

I know it's been mentioned elsewhere, but you can choose which sub-boards appear on the main page. I decided to try it, and my current combination (most of the Ancients, Medieval, ACW, Renaissance, 19th Century minus already bookmarked boards) is 50 posts, and there are like 5 Tango posts. Focus yourselves and then Tango won't be such an issue.

Rebelyell2006 – I've done the same.

He exists. Therefore he provides a target for the sort of people who will always find something to whine about, because they love to hear themselves whine so much.
-Kle.

Ok – so with your settings each day you get to see 10 or 12 items from one person one after another (or pretty close to)….why (I really do hesitate to ask) is that such a problem ?

If you saw the exact same 10 or 12 items but with different posting names attached to each one would that be ok?

No because those ten or twelve different people might actually participate in their topic beyond the "Glad you had enjoyed it boys" tagline.

"OK WHAT HAS TANGO DONE TO GET EVERYONE SO MAD AT HIM."

Nothing at all, the tmp business model (never let the rabble run the show) and near absent moderation on the other hand could possibly be at fault, if a fault is thought to exist? Far be it from me to say it does, I'll leave that up to the reader to decide.

As is so often quoted by the tmp-erazzi "Bill's house Bill's rules" ergo it is a problem of William Armintrouts making, if indeed he thinks it is a problem.

regards
dave

Being one of the folk who sometimes get irritated with the Tango posts, it isn't that he posts so often but that so often the posts seem irrelevant or even at cross purposes to the topic. Sometimes he posts some pretty fascinating stuff, certainly. But I actually go to certain boards I'd really like to have as a resource only to find too often it is just another Tango post with no relevance. Of course, often times the lack of relevance is purely personal. However, it feels as if his frequency of posting – and so often it is Not About Historical Miniatures Gaming Pieces – that dilutes the utility of the board for the rest interested in the umbrella topic. Specific case in point is the Old West board.

But, important but, I defend his right to make such posts regardless of my irritation with them. That's my problem, not his. But I must agree that his inability to adjust to the 'social norm' is bit disconcerting but that might be a cultural issue of some sort. Then there is the issue of what constitutes a 'social norm' on TMP. Sometimes it seems like the most common social norm is either snarkiness or purposeful irrelevant responses. Why, when someone asks about scale X, or promotes a product in scale X, is there so often a response about scale Y, or a lament that it should have been made in scale Y? And, alas, I must admit I've done that last a time or two.

We come here and participate or we don't. As we choose.

Anyway – all solved by the combination of Stifle and IgnoreV2, so hopefully we'll never see another thread moaning about Tango01.

Although…somehow I doubt it.

Look if you little brains explode when you see a Tango tread, use the stifle functions;it's the equivalent of screwing your eyes shut, sticking your fingers in your ears and saying loudly "Lalalalalal, can't hear you, lalalalalala…"

Let those of us who enjoy my cousin's posts do so in peace.

Stifling someone doesn't hurt them.