"My Open Letter to Tango Haters" Topic

There is indeed a lot of bullying going on here. Much the same way that if there was one person in your neighbourhood who played loud music at all hours, when he has been repeatedly and politely asked to tone it down, he would also be called a bully.

If Armand had *ever* taken into consideration other people's feelings and suggestions, we wouldn't be in this situation now, but his attitude always seems to be "There's no rule against it, so I will do what I like."

I am sure he is loving all the attention.

"I am sure he is loving all the attention"……………
and so are Sparker and everyone else who starts a topic about him! YAWN

Yep, get rid of the CA Board and all the vitriol will disappear from TMP.

Well said Guinny

What an extremely good Opening Post from Sparker. I think he has analysed these people very well indeed. And I don't say that lightly from the position of someone who usually agrees with him.

I dont see the difference in 200 posts by 200 people or 200 posts by 20 people? who cares?

Tell Tango and his Gang to give back TMP. Please.

Can't give back what's never been taken…and with the increase in threads visible on the front page hasn't the "anti-crowd" got enough of a compromise? The complaint was, was it not, that "all the threads get bumped off the front page too quick".

Well, now they don't. So why is there still a problem? If people get what they want and are still complaining then it starts to look as if that wasn't really what they wanted at all – and that really they were just trying to bully someone off TMP.

There'll be a really convincing post soon that explains how wrong I am….maybe.

@Sparker: Your solution to just go to the individual boards to find what you want and avoid Tangos posts is flawed. First it would take more time to go to each board to find new topics. Second when you go to the individual board posts, you dont see the authors name. How do I avoid his posts if I dont see his name?

Any value to Tango's posts is lost in the volume of them.

Pyrate Captain 24 May 2014 4:39 a.m. PST

Any value to Tango's posts is lost in the volume of them.

*NJH: "everything counts in large amounts."

I hate bullying. Just like using caps is shouting, there are many forms of internet etiquette and he was violating the board spamming code. Not about Tango hating but more about Tango spamming and cluttering up TMP boards.

When I spoke out about it, I received plenty of PMs supporting my position. The thread had a high reply count from what I remember so it was an issue with many.

My problem was solved the advent of ignore button. I once counted almost 60% of threads started by him on my page and with no opinions, no comments just random stuff floating on the internet. How is that good? Not for me.

If I want to search the internet for something random, I do it. I enjoy discussions and banter here not random links regardless of how interesting they are.

The search engines are easy to use and people can use them on their own time; I don't need a secretary to do it for me like many say Tango was for them. Calling him a secretary is bullying if you ask me.

Many tried to explain the problem to him but he just laughed it off. Despite so many posts and threads asking him to reduce the number of posts, he became obsessed with doing the opposite and increased their number.

The editor took action. He understood people's frustration and that is why he brought about the ignore concept. Good work again, Mr. Editor.

Tango is welcome. I don't see his posts, not because I don't like him but rather there are too many of them and I don't want to scroll down to find everyone else's posts. God bless you, Tango.

I will not get into a long drawn out discussion over what has been resolved thanks to the ignore or "Tango" function.

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

Given Combatpainter's final comment, one has to wonder why he felt it necessary to comment on a dead thread which he feels is now redundant anyway.

>>>Many tried to explain the problem to him but he just laughed it off. Despite so many posts and threads asking him to reduce the number of posts, he became obsessed with doing the opposite and increased their number.

Hmmm.
Doing something just to annoy people.
They have a word for that…

Martin

Tango provides a useful service. What he posts is on topic for our forum (usually!).

No, he doesn't.
Unless you're employing him to do it, in which case that determination would be yours alone to make.

And there you have it.
Armintrout came right out and openly supported spamming and trolling. That's a sad state of affairs.

But…it is his site and his rules. So it goes…

Martin

I can't be bothered with Tango, he spams the boards but I just stifle and ignore him, I found this the easiest way to combat it. Although the way it is going I find myself coming on only a couple of boards these days, quick nip in to see if anything of interest has been posted then dip out again. Don't like bullying but it seems to happen all the time on here at the moment.

He is ignored on my cell phone account but not on the OFM's desktop.
Big difference.
If you are incensed at his presence the solution is in your hands.

So why is this subject being revived again? Weasel had it right.

Can we have an "Open Letters" Board?

Ask combatpainter sjwalker38.

Armintrout came right out and openly supported spamming and trolling.

"Spamming" and "trolling" are subjective. I accuse you of spamming TMP with complaints about Tango and personal attacks by calling him a spammer and troll.

Robert, I thought I had, albeit indirectly, with my earlier posts but he's not yet responded.

Some people get easily bored when we're only talking about toy soldiers for a few days and feel the need to revive an old thread or start a new one featuring either the F- word, or the T-word, knowing it'll prompt a Pavlovian reaction amongst some members of the forum.

Then Frothers (aaaarghhhh…I said the F-word) will claim it's been done to improve TMPs hit statistics…and Bill will hit back….and…ad nauseum…

Unless you're employing him to do it…

No, why on earth would I do that?

Armintrout came right out and openly supported spamming and trolling.

In what way does Tango qualify as a spammer or troll? He posts relevant information.

I agree. Let's please drop this whole thing; if people don't like Tango's posts they can stifle them. For the rest of us who find at least some of his posts useful, and for Tango himself…there is no problem.
Tango is a central part of TMP's life…I think he contributes something useful to the site. If you don't think so, stifle him. This is a non-problem.

>>>. I accuse you of spamming TMP with complaints about Tango and personal attacks by calling him a spammer and troll.

You know, Rebelyell2006, I felt that the "I know you are, but what am I?" sort of retort was lame and childish back when I was in grade school. So why do you think it's a valid tactic now and what does that say about your mentality?

Oh, never mind. As the owner of the site clearly has no issue with the trolling and spamming problem (as long as it is coming from certain "some animals are more equal than others" type prefered members anyway…) it's a moot point as nothing will be done about the issue. Thus, I'm politely bowing out of the conversation.

Martin

So why do you think it's a valid tactic now and what does that say about your mentality?

Let's look at the fact that you clearly ignored my first sentence, so we shall revisit it. ""Spamming" and "trolling" are subjective." It is meaningless if you call Tango a spammer, just as it is meaningless if I call you a spammer. Ultimately Bill is fine with it, so regardless of your personal opinion Tango's posts are not spam in the eyes of the TMP rules and the TMP owner. If you are uncomfortable about being called a spammer, then deal with it. Calling someone a troll, on the other hand, is a violation of forum rules.

I know you are, but what am I??!!

I know you are, but what am I??!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist that. ;-)

>>Calling someone a troll, on the other hand, is a violation of forum rules.

Indeed it is. Therefore if you want to make an accusation, kindly link to the post were I said "Tango is a troll" or "Tango, you're a troll". As to my calling him a spammer…guilty as charged. But if you think, I've violated a forum rule you know were the "report" button is located.

You are, however, 100% correct when you state that "Tango's posts are not spam in the eyes of the TMP owner". That is part of the underlying problem….and why the problem will continue to be an issue.

Ah well. I did say I was done with this discussion. I'm gone from the thread for real now, as nothing good will come of it. You may have the last word, Rebelyell2006. I'm nice that way. You're welcome.

Martin

Here's the last word: your post contains image trolling.jpg. That is a roundabout way of calling someone a troll.

sigh – this again

What I find annoying is that for example there is a post about an army that I am interested in, thinking its a fellow tmper i click only to discover its someones disembodied blog who may or may not have any membership on TMP. The issue is that we should be fostering a community and one person talking is a community.

Here 's a picture of a wargame:

Those flats need proper gloss green basing to be a wargame

If there is a concern about threads in which one might have an interest dropping off the frint page could I suggest the ability to "bookmark" those of personal intesest so that they always appear at the top of a person's page

Good idea, but it will only work if you catch them for the first time whilst they are still on the front page. Unless, like me, you visit the boards you want directly and only have Hobby News on the front page. Then the bookmark facility would be useful.

Well with a front page capacity of 400 topics only a most infrequent visitor could miss something of interest.

Why Combatpainter resurrected this thread I do not know, but with the expanded front page and the ignore feature, the idea that any of the members here "post too much" should be a non-issue.

This is an argument I donīt understand. Normally, you would click on a thread that interested you, so why is it a problem to click on such a thread that was posted by Tango? I am not trying to be an ass, I really donīt understand the problem.

TJ. What people have a problem is,like me,they don't use the Front Page at all.I go directly to the boards I am interested in. When you go there all you see are the subject headings. Not who started them. If the Ignore function work like others wanted it to then threads created by those who others don't want to see would not show up. They want it to work not just on the Front Page.They want a total Ignore.

But Robert if the subject is interesting, who cares who posted it? Is there a cootie problem?

The person who is the ignoring is the one who cares enough to do it. For example,and I am not slighting him, some think that Tango posts too much and that it drives other threads down the list. There are other reasons to. The basic one for others is just not wanting to see someones posts and threads for some other reason(s)on a board(s) and that is only their business. If it were a total Ignore then that wouldn't be a problem to them and there wouldn't be any complaining. It doesn't hurt either party.

Well I see the point, but I donīt think Bill is going to sweat too much over it.

Personally, I wish all posts by Tango had "by Tango" in the topic header so I could ignore 99.99% of the them.

Hans@ they do
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Having names on the posts in the board would be nice.

There's certain people where I tend to click on their messages because I know they usually say something interesting.
However, you have to do that from the front page instead of the actual boards.

Let's pretend it's actually 2015.

Having names on the posts in the board would be nice.

Wooooooah, steady on there fella. Let's not get too radical !!!

I am joking of course…

Thread resurrection, lovely.