"To All The Negative Tango Commenters:" Topic

I get that you don't like how much the guy posts, or what he posts, or in some cases even him.

And that's fine. I am a big Armand supporter and fan. But you all have your piece to say as well, and I respect that. Don't let anyone tell you not to.post your opinions of him, you have as much a right to express yourself as he does to post the few dozen topics I find interesting every day.

It sure would be boring if we all knew everything already and agreed about.

Opinions about ideas and concepts are fine.

Ad hominem attacks are not.

Disagree with ideas but respect individuals.

I bet if I posted twenty threads a day I would be moderated out. So its entirely about individuals.

I haven't stifled him or anyone else BUT I'm getting sick of his posting crowding out everything else on the front page.

Let's posit a different situation:

I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

Tomorrow I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

The day after I post a topic "The mosquito was the best plane of WWII"

…you see where I'm going with this I expect.

Tango01 posts threads on different topics.

@pegasusfridge – I don't see why you'd think that, there's no evidence to support that suggestion.

If you did it once a day I don't think I'd even notice, he does it 30 times. Daily. Over and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over… and over…

and over…

So some of you have the time to post messages complaining that other people are complaining?!! And that the "other people" ought to be the ones "relaxing" or "chilling out"?

This is getting so surreal that I can only suggest to The Editor that the solution probably involves hatstands for fish.

I hope it is not a racist thing due to him being from a South American country. I worry when I see a bunch of old white men complain about someone.

An actual LOL, Captain. Nice one!

I worry when I see a bunch of old white men complain about someone. Because only White men are racist, in the same way as only men are sexist. Do the blinkers hurt the side of your face.

It's a behaviour thing.

And it is getting REALLY sad that a minority keep attempting to divert discussion about a genuine issue and pretending that it's hate or racism or bullying. This is an issue about behaviour and about the damage that it is doing to the TMP site. Nobody here has said they hate Tango. They are saying that they are exasperated by his behaviour. Which he can change if he chooses to do so.

According to the stats:
"There are 37,578 members of this website, ranging (in alphabetical order) from (Bad Name) to zzzdann."

Tango been stifled 500 times. I think you got the minority arse backwards.

According to the stats:
"There are 37,578 members of this website, ranging (in alphabetical order) from (Bad Name) to zzzdann."

But how many of those are dormant accounts?

And can you show us on this doll where Tango's threads touched you and made you feel icky?

Dear carne68:

Please name ONE post to the Messages Board that you know was "crowded out" by any of Tango01's post(s). Or, from the other direction, please cite the post to the Messages Board you didn't read because of Tango01's posts.

Dear captainquirk:

Please specify the "damage that it is doing to the TMP site." I do not recognize the free posting of opinions about this whole matter as "damage."

Why people pretend they just can't by-pass any/every post by this Gentleman is utterly opaque to me. If a heading sounds interesting, I click on it. If it could not be any less interesting, I ignore it and go on to something else.

Why does this approach seem to shred the sensibilities of so few if vociferous people? And if you can't be tolerant, why not just stifle him and never have to see his name under a post?

Or do some of you just object to the IDEA of Tango01 posting where anyone else can see him?

And now I've wasted my time--and the reader's--stating the obvious, again.

Minority as in there being about forty people who automatically leap in to defend Tango. And minority as in there being about four or five people who regularly try to claim that anyone who expresses concern about Tango's behaviour is committing some kind of hate crime.

So out of an alleged 37,578 members, I'd say it was reasonable to call it a minority.

I like Tango,

Tally Ho!

Amen Armchair

Basically, it's a question of degree…. and how much in one day is enough. There is clearly an issue here.

Wow, this is turning into a real kids game. "It's my toy, no it's my toy." Oh the things that adult people fight over, All seems so silly. I don't see any arms being broken by Tango posts, although I think if this "Discussion" was going on in a bar, the bruised egos would end up bruising each other.

Captainquirk you have a point. Maybe we should do a poll to see how many people support Tango vs those who don't, vs those who don't have a dog in this hunt.

I guess a stifle would be like blind siding someone with a punch in the mouth and then running away before they knew who hit them. Oh, yah, I've never stifled anyone, but truth be told, I have punched people in the mouth but not over the silly things that sometimes are said here. It's just when they say bad things about my mom that I get all riled up.

Please name ONE post to the Messages Board that you know was "crowded out" by any of Tango01's post(s). Or, from the other direction, please cite the post to the Messages Board you didn't read because of Tango01's posts.

That's just silly. How can he name it if he didn't see it?

Please specify the "damage that it is doing to the TMP site." I do not recognize the free posting of opinions about this whole matter as "damage."

People are not renewing their supporting memberships. Bill is beginning to suffer on his bottom line.

Why people pretend they just can't by-pass any/every post by this Gentleman is utterly opaque to me. If a heading sounds interesting, I click on it. If it could not be any less interesting, I ignore it and go on to something else.

That is not the problem. The problem, as described by several others, is that prolific posts push interesting stuff off the Home Page before they get a chance to see it.

I don't see any arms being broken by Tango posts,

Well, if you consider the reduction in Bill's income to be an arm …

If the super stifle comes in you will still get your 250 front page posts. Likewise when you have Boards turned off they don't count against your 250.

But them some will say they never stifle. They just want
Tango banned or publicly humiliated.

But how many of those are dormant accounts?

And how many Stifles are from the same user with multiple accounts?

I have no problem with tango. Some of his posts interest me some not. I do sometimes think has he ever read through the posts on TMP as he duplicates a few. But you know what, my life is full enough that I don't really give a hoot. I don't even look at WHO posted something I just look to see if its a subject I might be interested in.

I kinda like some of the news he posts – there are things that I haven't seen yet through regular venues. It is sort of fun. Everything else that I don't want to see, I just kinda scroll through with my mouse wheel.

I'm not a supporting member anymore, but that has nothing to do with Tango

The tango gang are the only ones who talk about hate. They are also the ones that started showing up with sticks and perpetrated an indignity on an equine carcass.

May I suggest the good ladies of the Intolerance Union boldly grasp their collective knicker waistbands and tug ever so strongly.

If done properly this will ensure they untwist, that is at least the versions lacking whale bones.

Once done perhaps that rascally adherent of the dance that dare not speak its name might not cause such swooning nor vapors.

Arriba, Tango.

Dear carne68:

Please name ONE post to the Messages Board that you know was "crowded out" by any of Tango01's post(s). Or, from the other direction, please cite the post to the Messages Board you didn't read because of Tango01's posts.

Message Boards
Okay, just from the 15th, and just from the areas that I subscribe to:

Thursday
15 May

Brigade Models – New 15mm Previews (11)Tango01 on 15mm Sci-Fi

The Canal – Force on Force Improvement ProjectBlack Guardian on Modern Battle Reports

French Dismounted DragoonsTango01 on Renaissance Product Reviews

USMC Woodland MARPAT tutorial (2)Nysseh on Modern Gallery

Turkish Cavalryman mounted on Arab pony with lanceTango01 on Early 20th Century Product Reviews

The day the ground erupted (10)Tango01 on Modern Media

War machine. (wagon) with horse legs.Tango01 on Interwar (WWI to WWII)

A world away from Normandy, troops practice modern-day … (14)Tango01 on Modern Discussion

Navy to test electromagnetic catapult on carrier (3)Tango01 on Modern Naval Discussion

Across The Dead Earth Post Apocalypse skirmish game (3)Tango01 on Post-Apocalypse Discussion

Battle Dog and Püg (3)Tango01 on Weird WWII

The World's Most Ignored Conflict Could Soon Become (4)Tango01 on Modern Media

DS'tone Art – Space Game Mats Wave 2 Kickstarter (6)Tango01 on Crowdfunding

Full system Gaming Scenery: Laser o Bundle. (4)Tango01 on Terrain and Scenics

Modular Gladiatorial Arena in 28mm. (3)Tango01 on Crowdfunding

Dragonfly Mk II Gunship and Transporter.Tango01 on SF Product Reviews

Super Battle in the Artic (3)Tango01 on Fantasy Gallery

A Look At The Five Chinese Conventional Weapon Systems…Tango01 on Modern Discussion

M17 Whiz-Bang (6)Tango01 on WWII Models Review

Philippines Accuse China Of Building A Military Base…Tango01 on Modern Media

Two new buildings for Stalingrand and a railway-track. (7)Tango01 on WWII Discussion

Prototype: Escort Cruiser CE (3)Tango01 on SF Gallery

1/72 Militiawomen SCW preview (11)Tango01 on Interwar (WWI to WWII)

Another one die combat system (13)Extra Crispy on Game Design

See Thru Concrete – Almost Like An Actual Terrain Piece (11)Cacique Caribe on Terrain and Scenics

General Quarters 3 Rules (4)JasonAfrika on WWII Naval Discussion

A great post apoc resource (4)James Wright on Post-Apocalypse Discussion

..unconventionally Late Historicon report. (6)wingnut on Pirates

Increasing the Number of Front Page Messages? (11)Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy on TMP Talk

Lord Ulthrak and Lord Yevrah from Hasslefree Miniaturesdarclegion on Painting

The grass is always greener on the other side of the…. (8)Timotheous on Wargaming in General

Field of Glory Napoleonic PowerPoint Presentationtrailape on Napoleonic Discussion

Painted GZG NSL Panzergrenadiers (10)darebear on 15mm Sci-Fi

Big Machinas cars (6)evilcartoonist on Post-Apocalypse Discussion

Huzzah! this weekend in South Portland, Maine (4)Wargaminginmaine on Conventions and Wargame Shows

Painted GZG 15mm Colonists (6)darebear on 15mm Sci-Fi

Problem with Supporting Membership (7)Ragbones on TMP Talk

My 28mm Fantasy Collection Samples (4)darebear on 28mm Fantasy

My 40K Steel Legion Army, 240+ models (7)darebear on 28mm Sci-Fi

Welcome to the New Post-Apocalypse Board! (25)The Editor on TMP Talk

Game 7 of 10mm Vietnam Skirmish Campaign (23)Just Jack on Modern Battle Reports

Holy Hoverbikes! (10)Coelacanth on SF Discussion

Grouchy chance. (4)Tango01 on Napoleonic Discussion

My French Army … (21)sotek486 on Napoleonic Gallery

Adler 6mm American Revolution figures in US? (7)whitejamest on American Revolution

New North Star Marines for their pirate range. (5)legatushedlius on Pirates

Prisoner Escort – Redcoats vs Gypsies Marshal Mark on 19th Century Discussion

AWI Flags in the US (10)GROSSMAN on American Revolution

French, British, and American custom dice on Kickstartercolkrone on American Revolution

China Building a Base in the South China Sea (15)Mako11 on Modern What-If

Inbox: PzKpfw I Ausf. A model by First to Fight (2)Inkub Pendragon on WWII 20mm Models Review

Sighting German AT-guns (16)Endless Grubs on WWII Discussion

On To Richmond! Pre-Orders (13)Extra Crispy on ACW Discussion

Slaughterloo project: 1st update (6)Chris Walkley on Black Powder Fantasy

Is Steve Jackson Games still producing Oger miniatures? (16)Darkrazor on 6mm Sci-Fi

X-Wing: Tantive IV and Rebel Transport ordered (5)Only Warlock on Spaceship Gaming

Military meals. (5)ironicon on Wargaming in General

Warhammer tourneys gone from H-con PEL (3)whitemanticore on Conventions and Wargame Shows

Africa Needs Steam Little Wars (Illinois) -27Apr14 (2)Rich Bliss on 19th Century Gallery

War Gamers In Huntsville, Alabama area (3)Will M on Field of Glory

22 of 60: That's 22 threads crowding out 22 other posts by other members off of the front page. Posts that might be just as interesting or relevant.

Maybe there should be a "Tango's Stuff" board. Then, anyone who doesn't want to see his posts can uncheck that board in their control panel. Problem solved.

I like Tango's posts and if I don't want to read them, I don't click on them. No problem. Glad he's here, Gentlemen!

I like Tango's posts and if I don't want to read them, I don't click on them. No problem. Glad he's here, Gentlemen!

You are missing the point. Yes, it is easy to not click on his posts, but the Home Page has a limited size which means that his posts push others off the page so no matter how far you scroll you will never see them.

I've never joined in on the Tango debate, but I have a question I truly don't know the answer to: what, exactly is or constitutes the "Front Page"? I subscribe to all but 4 "Interests" but my Front Page shows all posts back usually 3 days, sometimes more, and has for years. For example, all the posts that Carne68 shows to have been pushed off his Front Page, were/are on mine. I never miss any posts due to Tango's posts? Are there different Front Pages to choose from, or what????

They are on my front page too, I was stating, perhaps badly, that the endless stream of Tango01 crowds other topics off of the front page.

I wonder how many new stifles I will get by just posting on this thread?
Well said DAF!

Most likely not what anyone wants to hear but you can do what I often do. See it is from Tango don't read the post and move on. I make no comments about it and only read things I want to read. If it so happens Tango never posts anything I want to read oh well.

I hope it is not a racist thing due to him being from a South American country. I worry when I see a bunch of old white men complain about someone.

Wow, that is such a racist comment! Physician, check thyself.

Well, I personally like Tango, just to be in the clear( and not dicrediting any other opinion), but what I now really like about this "Tango Hype" is to see (on a small scale) democracy at work (or what whe consider it to be), and how it sometimes differs in meaning if you look at it geografically. Great stuf for a storm in a tea cup wich reflects our society.

I have defended Tango in the past. My impression of him has been largely based on his contributions to a thread or two about the Falklands. He had worthwhile things to say and seems like a genuinely nice guy. I have mostly ignored his news posts but have on occasion found some of them to be useful and informative. I have also tried to ignore (unsuccessfully) all of the swirling chaos of vitriol that is all over TMP these days. But it's like a car wreck, you just can't not look and once you do you're drawn in.

All that out of the way, I completely agree that endless posting of news items in the face of pleading protests is uncivil and I really don't understand it. Something is broken on TMP and it needs fixing. I find the idea of a superstifle distasteful on principle. I'd prefer a smoother way to manage the front page that doesn't target individual members and label them as bad actors.

I wonder if all the hoopla would go away if posts on the front page did not show the posters name? Is everyone upset that all the posts come from one person or that there are many posts per day?

See it is from Tango don't read the post and move on. I make no comments about it and only read things I want to read. If it so happens Tango never posts anything I want to read oh well.

You are missing the point. The Home Page has a limited size which means that his posts push others off the page so you will never see them.

So ? No blood is shed, a few entitled people are inconvenienced, it gives everyone something to get their panties in a twist, and in a hundred years all of us will be dead and forgotten. My point, there isn't any just like all these silly complaints.

I find the argument that 'Tango's posts push other interesting things that I don't know about off the front page before I get a chance to see them' quite bizarre.

So people are worried about random posts that may prevent them from seeing other random posts that may or may not interest them.

Configure your homepage.

How many of you have even looked at doing that? I see about half a dozen Tango posts a day and have a front page feed that goes back nearly a week – and I have about 20 boards active on mine – not the 230-odd that exist feeding onto it.

From that list above I saw these – and only about half a dozen Tango posts. If I desperately need to know about Modern What if's or whatever I'll look at the Moderns Board.

Thursday
15 May

Brigade Models – New 15mm Previews (11)Tango01 on 15mm Sci-Fi

Full system Gaming Scenery: Laser o Bundle. (4)Tango01 on Terrain and Scenics

Dragonfly Mk II Gunship and Transporter.Tango01 on SF Product Reviews

M17 Whiz-Bang (6)Tango01 on WWII Models Review

Two new buildings for Stalingrand and a railway-track. (7)Tango01 on WWII Discussion

Prototype: Escort Cruiser CE (3)Tango01 on SF Gallery

See Thru Concrete – Almost Like An Actual Terrain Piece (11)Cacique Caribe on Terrain and Scenics

..unconventionally Late Historicon report. (6)wingnut on Pirates

Increasing the Number of Front Page Messages? (11)Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy on TMP Talk

Lord Ulthrak and Lord Yevrah from Hasslefree Miniaturesdarclegion on Painting

Field of Glory Napoleonic PowerPoint Presentationtrailape on Napoleonic Discussion

Painted GZG NSL Panzergrenadiers (10)darebear on 15mm Sci-Fi

Painted GZG 15mm Colonists (6)darebear on 15mm Sci-Fi

Problem with Supporting Membership (7)Ragbones on TMP Talk

My 40K Steel Legion Army, 240+ models (7)darebear on 28mm Sci-Fi

Grouchy chance. (4)Tango01 on Napoleonic Discussion

My French Army … (21)sotek486 on Napoleonic Gallery

New North Star Marines for their pirate range. (5)legatushedlius on Pirates

Sighting German AT-guns (16)Endless Grubs on WWII Discussion

On To Richmond! Pre-Orders (13)Extra Crispy on ACW Discussion

X-Wing: Tantive IV and Rebel Transport ordered (5)Only Warlock on Spaceship Gaming

Military meals. (5)ironicon on Wargaming in General

Africa Needs Steam Little Wars (Illinois) -27Apr14 (2)Rich Bliss on 19th Century Gallery

Configure your homepage.

Precisely. But the MAXIMUM size of the Home Page is 200 posts. Prolific posts will engulf this for those who are unable to visit TMP very frequently.

If I desperately need to know about Modern What if's or whatever I'll look at the Moderns Board.

Yes, but what if there are a dozen or more other boards you desparately need to know what's been posted?

I see about half a dozen Tango posts a day and have a front page feed that goes back nearly a week

Right now, I have my Fron Page set to the maximum (200) and I only go back as far as Wednesday 14th – a couple of days. Why should my use of TMP be discriminated against compared to yours?

I see from the latest posts that I was on the right track. Easier to ignore reality and continue an endless reciprocation than stop and think…

I can't believe there are people who still don't understand the issue.

So what happens when you don't see this all important potential post that Tango has thoughtlessly pushed off the front page? Did it cause you to get boils, or perhaps your cow's milk to sour or turn you into a ferret? No? I am betting that it didn't change your life one iota.

Alfrritz – I understand the issue being raised – I just don't agree with it being a problem. When it comes to the Messgae Boards and Front Pages here I didn't even know the Front Page existed until I had been a member here for two or three years – I had bookmarked the Message Board page and that was the one I always opened. Kind of wish I had never found out about the Front Page :)