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Druzhina11 May 2014 3:02 a.m. PST

There is a set of five prints by Daniel Hopfer of Ottoman Sultan Süleyman and his cortege after earlier prints by Jan Swart.

The originals by Swart may not have had many captions. Hopfer has captions as Three Ottoman trumpeters, Mamalucke, Haiden (Pagans) & Arabische (Arabs) but versions appear in the Códice De Trajes with different captions: MOSQVWITER rather than Mamalucke, THIRCKEN rather than Haiden and TATERN rather than Arabische.
Does anyone have the originals by Jan Swart?

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Prints by Daniel Hopfer of Süleyman and his cortege

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Illustrations of Ottoman Costume & Soldiers

Daniel S11 May 2014 8:19 a.m. PST

The Rijksmuseum has the original prints by Swart
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bsrlee12 May 2014 6:25 a.m. PST

Druzhina: I think some malicious code has been added to your page with those illustrations – when I use IE to go to those links I keep getting redirected to a site that tries to force load a hacked version of Java & gives my Anti-Virus conniptions. All the other pages are fine, just the ones linked above have the problem.

Druzhina12 May 2014 6:49 p.m. PST

Danial S, thanks, I can find 4 of the 5 prints by Swart at the Rijksmuseum.

bsrlee, I think it is the advert that is added to the bottom of pages on fik4 that requests a newer Java version when 1st encountered.

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Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Druzhina14 May 2014 5:10 a.m. PST

Here are large images from the Rijksmuseum, Netherlands:
Ottoman trumpeters by Jan Swart van Groningen
Mamaluckes by Jan Swart
Suleiman the Great & his cortege by Jan Swart
Ottoman Haiden by Jan Swart
and from the British Museum:
Arabs by Jan Swart

The Hopfer versions are close copies of these except for some details. For example the scabbard of the Mamalukes, whose hats are shaggier in the Swart prints

Only 1 of the Arab's feet is showing – this has no shoe or stirrup, just a spur. Is that normal?

Anax at Historum pointed out that the Mamalukes' coat of arms is like this one:


Martin Schrot in his Wappenbuch, 16th century, attributes this coat of arms to the first bey of Bithynia, Osman I.
Hubert de Vries' National Arms and Emblems – Byzantium

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16th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Druzhina16 May 2014 8:59 p.m. PST

There is another image of a 16th century Mameluke, by Cesare Vecellio, which includes some Balkan-like elements.

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