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Major Bloodnok02 May 2014 2:53 a.m. PST

I am thinking of painting the 4th Baden Regiment, circa 1812, Spain. Were they wearing shakos by then? and were they still wearing the uniforms of the parent regiments from which the 4th Regiment were drawn from? Or were the two bns. uniformly dressed? One source light blue facings for the 4th, others have the 1st Bn with white facings, and 2nd Bn. with poppy red facings. Thanks

SJDonovan02 May 2014 3:42 a.m. PST

I've checked in Haythornthwaite 'Uniforms of the Peninsular War' but all he says is that they initially wore the helmet and the shako was adopted later. The Baden contingent that went to Russia was still wearing the helmet so I would probably stick with that. Haythornthwaite doesn't mention any differences in facings between the battalions and just describes the uniform as "blue with white collar and cuffs, red turnbacks, yellow buttons and blue breeches".

However, just to confuse things, Gill in "With Eagles to Glory" describes their uniform as dark blue coat with deep red distinctions on collar, cuffs, lapels and shoulder straps. He says the breeches were white. (But he is writing about 1809)

I've just found a good article on the Empire-Histofig site that gives details of the changes that the uniform underwent from 1806-14: link

xxxxxxx02 May 2014 4:25 a.m. PST

In July/August 1808, for duty in Spain, a "Kombiniertes Infanterie-Regiment" was formed, composed of :
- 1. battalion, Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 vacant (red distinctive, white buttons)
- 2. battalion, Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.3 von Harrant (white distinctive, yellow buttons)

On 2 February 1809, this unit took the name Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 (von Porbeck from 1 July 1809, von Neuenstein from 24 August 1809). [At the same time, the former 2. battalion, Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 was taken into the Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.3, restoring it to full strength.]

The "new" Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 was to have red distinctive and white buttons in the new habit (with the front "lapel" buttoned over) and shako. Here they are as drawn by Boisselier (allegedly based on images drwan from life – download and/or zoom in for a better view of the legends) :

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Evolution of the uniforms and the names :

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See also :
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- Sasha

Major Bloodnok02 May 2014 6:10 p.m. PST

Thank you all for your kind help.

Chortle Fezian02 May 2014 10:10 p.m. PST

Is the Baden blue Royal blue?

xxxxxxx03 May 2014 6:55 a.m. PST

It was a dark blue, indigo dyed like the French.
Compare French and Baden dark blue from this series drawn and colored from life:
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Another contemporary look at the color, from Voltz 1805 :
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This is a watercolor from 1824, but it shows that Baden was trying then for a very dark blue:
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Same very dark blue from a watercolor of 1802:
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Here we have a painting done in the winter of 1811/1812 of then 19-year old Generalmajor Wilhelm (Ludwig August) Graf von Hochberg (Karlsruhe 1792 Karlsruhe 1859), the quasi-illegitimate son of Karl Friedrich, Groherzog von Baden, and commander of the doomed Baden infatry brigade in the IXe corps of the marchal Victor, duc de Belluno. He, along with 145 survivors of the "victory" at the Beresina, made it to Vilna the remnants of a brigade of 4000 men.

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- Sasha

Chortle Fezian03 May 2014 11:31 p.m. PST

Thank you very much, Sasha.

Garde de Paris04 May 2014 11:26 a.m. PST

Does anyone make these figures with helmet, and long-tailed coat in 28mm? They served with the 2nd Nassau – dark green coat, later with shakos, and grenadiers in light cavalry colpaks – in the German Division of the 4th Corps in Spain.

I converted 30mm Stadden French Old Guard grenadiers back in the 1970' using liquid steel epoxy to close the lapels to the waist, and cutting the epaulettes away for the center companies – leaving them for grenadiers and light company. The helmet was converted from a Willy figure. I used a Stadden Russian officer converted to wearing a bicorn.

A lot of work today.

GdeP

Marcus Maximus17 Sep 2014 11:50 p.m. PST

@GdP I have been dropping subtle hints on TMP and direct to the manufacturers about Baden forces in 28mm – I cannot use Bavarian figures as substitutes as the horse plum on the Bavarian Raupenhaulm is much larger than on Baden Raupenhaulm……

von Winterfeldt18 Sep 2014 3:13 a.m. PST

bear in mind that the link you provided from Voltz and ASK Brown collection – shows cavalry and the Baden Dragoner did wear a lighter blue than infantry.

May I ask from where you have the rest of the plates – links?

The Perrys would be prime candidates for such armies – but Alan is still busy with the Bavarians – so what is next in the Perrys pipeline?

xxxxxxx18 Sep 2014 7:36 a.m. PST

Dear Colleague,

"Baden Dragoner did wear a lighter blue than infantry"
I did not know this, actually. I thought I was just seeing normal variation in the original items and artists' impressions of what they say. One wonders why they bothered with two such similar shades.

If you right-click on the images, and then select "show in a new window", you will see in your browser's navigation bar the full url's of the images.

The Boisselier would be out of copyright in the USA, where the images are hosted, from where I accessed them, and where TMP is hosted. However, they may not be quite yet out of copyright in the EU.

- Sasha

von Winterfeldt19 Sep 2014 8:27 a.m. PST

Alas it isn't working for me, in case it doesn't trouble you just send a link

xxxxxxx19 Sep 2014 2:51 p.m. PST

The problem in giving the internet addresses for the images is that the forum software wants to turn them into active links and/or display the images.
Let's try this …. first copy the following into a text editor on your computer, such as MicroSoft Notepad ….

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then, for each one ….
1. Replace the AAA at the beginning of each one with "http://" without the quotes
2. Replace the BBB near the start with ".bp.blogspot.com/" without the quotes
3. Replace the RRR near the start with "i042.radikal.ru/" without the quotes
4. Replace the JJJ at the end of each one with ".jpg" without the quotes

Now, put each of the re-created addresses into the navigation bar of your browser. You should get the original image to show alone, whihc you can them copy.

- Sasha

xxxxxxx19 Sep 2014 2:55 p.m. PST

This post is a test of the forum's automatic editor. Please disregard.


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As I feared, there is no easy way that I can see of getting the foum software to display an image's actual address.

- Sasha

von Winterfeldt20 Sep 2014 8:56 a.m. PST

just a link to the home page would do

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