Major Bloodnok | 02 May 2014 2:53 a.m. PST |
I am thinking of painting the 4th Baden Regiment, circa 1812, Spain. Were they wearing shakos by then? and were they still wearing the uniforms of the parent regiments from which the 4th Regiment were drawn from? Or were the two bns. uniformly dressed? One source light blue facings for the 4th, others have the 1st Bn with white facings, and 2nd Bn. with poppy red facings. Thanks |
SJDonovan | 02 May 2014 3:42 a.m. PST |
I've checked in Haythornthwaite 'Uniforms of the Peninsular War' but all he says is that they initially wore the helmet and the shako was adopted later. The Baden contingent that went to Russia was still wearing the helmet so I would probably stick with that. Haythornthwaite doesn't mention any differences in facings between the battalions and just describes the uniform as "blue with white collar and cuffs, red turnbacks, yellow buttons and blue breeches". However, just to confuse things, Gill in "With Eagles to Glory" describes their uniform as dark blue coat with deep red distinctions on collar, cuffs, lapels and shoulder straps. He says the breeches were white. (But he is writing about 1809) I've just found a good article on the Empire-Histofig site that gives details of the changes that the uniform underwent from 1806-14: link |
xxxxxxx | 02 May 2014 4:25 a.m. PST |
In July/August 1808, for duty in Spain, a "Kombiniertes Infanterie-Regiment" was formed, composed of : - 1. battalion, Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 vacant (red distinctive, white buttons) - 2. battalion, Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.3 von Harrant (white distinctive, yellow buttons) On 2 February 1809, this unit took the name Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 (von Porbeck from 1 July 1809, von Neuenstein from 24 August 1809). [At the same time, the former 2. battalion, Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 was taken into the Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.3, restoring it to full strength.] The "new" Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr.4 was to have red distinctive and white buttons in the new habit (with the front "lapel" buttoned over) and shako. Here they are as drawn by Boisselier (allegedly based on images drwan from life – download and/or zoom in for a better view of the legends) :
Evolution of the uniforms and the names :
See also : link link - Sasha |
Major Bloodnok | 02 May 2014 6:10 p.m. PST |
Thank you all for your kind help. |
Chortle | 02 May 2014 10:10 p.m. PST |
Is the Baden blue Royal blue? |
xxxxxxx | 03 May 2014 6:55 a.m. PST |
It was a dark blue, indigo dyed like the French. Compare French and Baden dark blue from this series drawn and colored from life: link Another contemporary look at the color, from Voltz 1805 : link This is a watercolor from 1824, but it shows that Baden was trying then for a very dark blue: link Same very dark blue from a watercolor of 1802: link Here we have a painting done in the winter of 1811/1812 of then 19-year old Generalmajor Wilhelm (Ludwig August) Graf von Hochberg (Karlsruhe 1792 – Karlsruhe 1859), the quasi-illegitimate son of Karl Friedrich, Großherzog von Baden, and commander of the doomed Baden infatry brigade in the IXe corps of the maréchal Victor, duc de Belluno. He, along with 145 survivors of the "victory" at the Beresina, made it to Vilna – the remnants of a brigade of 4000 men.
- Sasha |
Chortle | 03 May 2014 11:31 p.m. PST |
Thank you very much, Sasha. |
Garde de Paris | 04 May 2014 11:26 a.m. PST |
Does anyone make these figures with helmet, and long-tailed coat in 28mm? They served with the 2nd Nassau – dark green coat, later with shakos, and grenadiers in light cavalry colpaks – in the German Division of the 4th Corps in Spain. I converted 30mm Stadden French Old Guard grenadiers back in the 1970' using liquid steel epoxy to close the lapels to the waist, and cutting the epaulettes away for the center companies – leaving them for grenadiers and light company. The helmet was converted from a Willy figure. I used a Stadden Russian officer converted to wearing a bicorn. A lot of work today. GdeP |
Marcus Maximus | 17 Sep 2014 11:50 p.m. PST |
@GdP I have been dropping subtle hints on TMP and direct to the manufacturers about Baden forces in 28mm – I cannot use Bavarian figures as substitutes as the horse plum on the Bavarian Raupenhaulm is much larger than on Baden Raupenhaulm…… |
von Winterfeldt | 18 Sep 2014 3:13 a.m. PST |
bear in mind that the link you provided from Voltz and ASK Brown collection – shows cavalry and the Baden Dragoner did wear a lighter blue than infantry. May I ask from where you have the rest of the plates – links? The Perrys would be prime candidates for such armies – but Alan is still busy with the Bavarians – so what is next in the Perrys pipeline? |
xxxxxxx | 18 Sep 2014 7:36 a.m. PST |
Dear Colleague, "Baden Dragoner did wear a lighter blue than infantry" I did not know this, actually. I thought I was just seeing normal variation in the original items and artists' impressions of what they say. One wonders why they bothered with two such similar shades. If you right-click on the images, and then select "show in a new window", you will see in your browser's navigation bar the full url's of the images. The Boisselier would be out of copyright in the USA, where the images are hosted, from where I accessed them, and where TMP is hosted. However, they may not be quite yet out of copyright in the EU. - Sasha |
von Winterfeldt | 19 Sep 2014 8:27 a.m. PST |
Alas it isn't working for me, in case it doesn't trouble you just send a link |
xxxxxxx | 19 Sep 2014 2:51 p.m. PST |
The problem in giving the internet addresses for the images is that the forum software wants to turn them into active links and/or display the images. Let's try this …. first copy the following into a text editor on your computer, such as MicroSoft Notepad …. AAA4BBB-yd3TZrGCSIo/UFOm-LcMmcI/AAAAAAAAkNA/-Q8OWwvUcOM/s640/Nº+4JJJ AAA2BBB-czv3ZpUHS0U/UFH-DwSLfzI/AAAAAAAAj8U/i6DvsqbftlY/s640/Nº+39JJJ AAA3BBB-J_HAOI0WHiI/UFH-PV532SI/AAAAAAAAj8k/jI6nI078BDg/s640/Nº+42JJJ AAA4BBB-PwcW09JWKwE/UFOnAUjmj8I/AAAAAAAAkNI/kZe4jF9ehTk/s640/Nº+5JJJ AAA2BBB-mkmM3OXejeI/UFOnCvuxyLI/AAAAAAAAkNQ/75EO_AMYBq4/s1600/Nº+6JJJ AAA1BBB-xMZP5QD4G_4/UFOnEy5V8YI/AAAAAAAAkNY/8d9dLtgTHC4/s640/Nº+7JJJ AAA3BBB-vqhSt6mkpaw/UFOnHXa1m2I/AAAAAAAAkNg/HoFR8MeXwgQ/s640/Nº+8JJJ AAA2BBB-byo5N_o4-x8/UFOnJp3vNXI/AAAAAAAAkNo/FjXasnGX5dw/s640/Nº+9JJJ AAA2BBB-HO6tsI6ljTo/UFOnMTKbqoI/AAAAAAAAkNw/yQZexsak6tg/s640/Nº+10JJJ AAA3BBB-QFbH-R5ORF0/UFOnTH1m4ZI/AAAAAAAAkOI/DVmZA5mleHI/s640/nº+13JJJ AAA3BBB-IXvT9JkIivs/UFOnWNZSScI/AAAAAAAAkOQ/viXnop0hDJc/s640/nº+14JJJ AAA1BBB-pL25ejROOyU/UFOnaApyhsI/AAAAAAAAkOY/O0fuSfD_03c/s640/nº+15JJJ AAA2BBB-SyzOkY0mvDE/UFOvWXOQsZI/AAAAAAAAkQs/2SY48bUzF68/s1600/nº+31JJJ AAA3BBB-_MqQQh5iwEQ/UFOveUKC2rI/AAAAAAAAkQ0/M7ES6UkiSzs/s640/nº+32JJJ AAA3BBB-75pG8yYtoj4/UFOvhFA3aiI/AAAAAAAAkQ8/PUAbeu0X-i0/s1600/nº+33JJJ AAA2BBB-MzjsOEvEZ6E/UFOvj6NMRsI/AAAAAAAAkRE/O4ozfnLKbM0/s1600/nº+34JJJ AAARRR1102/02/58f3a109091aJJJ then, for each one …. 1. Replace the AAA at the beginning of each one with "http://" – without the quotes 2. Replace the BBB near the start with ".bp.blogspot.com/" – without the quotes 3. Replace the RRR near the start with "i042.radikal.ru/" – without the quotes 4. Replace the JJJ at the end of each one with ".jpg" – without the quotes Now, put each of the re-created addresses into the navigation bar of your browser. You should get the original image to show alone, whihc you can them copy. - Sasha |
xxxxxxx | 19 Sep 2014 2:55 p.m. PST |
This post is a test of the forum's automatic editor. Please disregard. link
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As I feared, there is no easy way that I can see of getting the foum software to display an image's actual address. - Sasha |
von Winterfeldt | 20 Sep 2014 8:56 a.m. PST |
just a link to the home page would do |