"Austrian Cuirassier Trumpeter" Topic

I'm painting up some Austrian Cuirassiers. Cruising the Web for some reference photos I came across a unit of nicely painted miniatures and I noticed that the trumpeter had a colored band on the sides of the crest of his helmet that was the same color as the facing color of the regiment, rather than the usual yellow. Is this correct? I haven't found any other references that show the trumpeter.

And this particular regiment have red facing color, right?
As I know, all cuirassieur and dragoons trumpeters have red crest.

From 1798 : Trumpeters were dressed as corporals (minus the cane), and trumpet majors (Stabstrompeter) as Wachtmeisters; but instead of the helmet had a cocked hat with a silver or gold loop (according to button colour) and black cockade, and yellow and black camel hair 'roses' in the corners of the hat.
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From the "Augsburger Bilderserie" of 1802-1809:

From ~1805 : Trumpeters wore ordinary uniform ([now] without cuirasses), with a red helmet crest and other distinctions like corporals (Stabstrompeter with Wachtmeister distinctions). The 40.5cm brass trumpet had cords and tassels of mixed Emperor yellow and black.
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I can't find a period illustration of this, which makes me wonder if/when it ever happened.
Here is Ottenfeld's impression of the look, published in 1895:
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As one might expect, the Osprey follows Ottenfeld. See plate F2 of the "Austrian Army of the Napoleonic Wars (2): Cavalry" by Philip Haythornthwaite.

For what it is worth (not much maybe), by 1835 it would appear that officers and trumpeters had yellow over black crests while the troopers had black over yellow. Here is a period illustration:
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I don't play Austrians, but at least through 1809 I would put my curassier trumpeters in chapeaux and cuirasses, and ask anyone who called me on it to do a better search than I did for a period illustration showing implementation of the ~1805 changes. Even then, there is always inhaber's preference, right?

- Sasha

According to W.J. Rawkins 'The Austro-Hungarian Army 1798-1814', after the introduction of the helmet, trumpeters usually wore a helmet with a scarlet raupe (caterpillar crest). Unlike the crests of the rank and file the crest worn by trumpeters is all one colour and does not have the black stripe on the top.

Thank you gentlemen!

And while I have your attention, do you know what was the color of the straps holding on the breastplate? I've seen some illustrations that show white, while others have brown or black.

Thanks again!

some inspiring cuirassier trompeter from Klein

It's a super illustration von W- and IIRC there are supporting refs elsewhere for the horsetail crests- but I think these men may be from a Dragoon regiment.

might well be – on the legend to the plates – plate 20 they are termed to be 4th Dragoon regiment – on the other hand – in the top corner by pencil – one can read Kürassiere.

On the series of plates there is another one with a mounted band of musicians, alas – only one is coloured, this time termed to be cuirassiers, with a big drum on the left side of the horse and the usual red crested helmet.

I put the above plate up – only to show some variation, I did not come so far across other supporting refs for horsetail crests – as the above plate.

von Winterfeldt,

Excellent! Superb contribution, as always.
Thank you!

- Sasha

With regard to the straps Rawkins says: "The breastplate only was worn and was fastened with a narrow whitened leather waist belt and straps which passed over the shoulders to cross at the back and fastened to the rear of the waist belt, the tips of the straps fastening to the breast of the kurass with black leather straps. All buckles and fittings were white metal."

anyone recall the false sleeves hanging down the back?

According to the Knotel drawing (volume 17, plate 38) the Klein drawing is of the Dragoner-Regiment Erbgrossherzog von Toskana (Nr 4