"Khurasan previews 18mm Dutch for the WSS" Topic

Very pleased to preview our latest War of the Spanish Succession range, the Dutch. These were the foundation of the Allied triumphs in the Netherlands, Germany and France. The infantry were solid and the cavalry excellent and aggressive.

These have been researched to reflect their national preferences -- the infantry have the cartridge box on a shoulder strap, and an old-fashioned powder horn worn externally. The Dutch appear to have retained the "informal tricorne" into the first few years of the eighteenth century and so these are available as well.

Dutch cavalry have their scabbards on a frog with a thin, very widely separated rear stabilising strap, as shown in Hall's recent book.

Mike Broadbent has done his usual excellent job on these. Rafa did a great job painting them too.

Dutch musketeers in informal tricorne:

Dutch infantry command for troops with informal tricorne (note officers have half-pikes):

Dutch musketeers in proper tricornes:

Dutch infantry command for troops with proper tricornes:

Dutch grenadier with short miter with bag:

Dutch grenadier with solid short miter:

Dutch cavalry:

Dutch cavalry command:

Dutch high command (the flamboyant Overkirk and a generic conservative general in a sensible Calvinist coat):

Dutch artillery (these seem to have retained the informal tricorne for the rank and file):

The production moulds for these are being made now. Stay tuned for details!

Great News! Cant wait to get these. Khurasan thanks for doing the extra research and producing great looking minis! Love the Dutch Grenadiers!!

Beautiful as usual! With well done miniatures like these I have no regrets about leaving 25-28mm for 18mm.

I really like this new range and the sculpting is excellent but I have a desire(need) to see different poses for the infantry. It seems that every 4 pose set released use the same four basic dollies, albeit with detail variations(nice!), all stepping forward with the right foot. I suppose the need to get the range out quickly mandates this lack of variation but how about shaking it up with additional marching poses? While I'm on the topic, are we eventually going to see any firing/loading poses?
Keep it up!

These would be even cooler…if the website were up :)

Actually grenadiers the different nations have not been made from the same dollies -- except the Spanish who are conversions of the French.

We offer march attack as our basic infantry pose under the notion that most movement of models across the tabletop is manoeuvre rather than engagement in a firefight, so the march attack pose is the most flexible. Same goes for cavalry in advancing poses rather than charging. This seems to be the preference of most customers as well (we asked).

With many nations and arms to get made it makes more sense to make Austrian musketeers rather than go back and make French shooting. Once the basics of the range are done we'll be going back and making other stuff like dragoons, guards, and so on, and then we may contemplate shooting poses.

Gorgeous! Keep up the great work!

Any plans on doing Dutch pikemen since according to Hall they carried them till 1708?

Excellent! Love the informal tricornes and powder horns- lots of possibilities. Pikes would indeed be good.

Must have some – who is your retailer for Europe?

If seperate pikes aren't produced an alternative is to convert some of the command. Unfortuneatly, most of the command listed as "informal" appear to be in formal tricorne. Since there already is a command group in formal tricornes why put formal tricornes in the command group listed as informal?

By the way, beautiful figures and I like the poses (although an individual somewhat out of step does makes them more realistic).

Have some of the figures out of step would be excellent!

Unfortuneatly, most of the command listed as "informal" appear to be in formal tricorne. Since there already is a command group in formal tricornes why put formal tricornes in the command group listed as informal?

For purposes of historical accuracy. Officers in Dutch service adopted the formal tricorne before the ratings did. That's why the officers (four of eight poses) have them, whereas the non-officers (sergeants and drummers) don't.

Hall does not mention Dutch infantry carrying pikes in the field in any of the battles of the WSS -- are there any period accounts that reflect them doing so?

Actually Hall's 2013 "Dutch Army and the Army of Liege" does mention Pikes under The Dutch Army , then The Infantry, then under Equipment & Tactics there is a section on "Pikes" One paragraph states "At the start of 1706 there were still many Dutch generals of the opinion that nine or ten pikes
per company were necessary to protect a battalion against cavalry but also because the pikes
served primarily as a solid centre in the battalion around the flags and a recognisable point to
which the wings could rally in times disorder."

Was re-reading The Anatomy of Victory: Battle Tactics 1689-1763 by Brent Nosworthy he has the pike not disappearing from the battlefield until 1708.

We've had generic pikemen made in two poses. The first set will have proper tricornes and the second set informal ones. So we listen!

Even though I have my suspicions that people really want these to backdate the range to the War of the Grand Alliance!

handsome figures indeed. do you plan on covering the english and imperial troops?

These are things of beauty………..and they will be available when?

English basics are already made and Austrians will come right after the early WWI models I'm having made. Austrian infantry dress was similar to Dutch with some differences (their powder horn was different, their cartridge box had a long flap that overhung the bottom of the box, and their officers did not use a half pike) so that will be very simple, but the cavalry will be fun!

The cuirassier look like something out of the thirty years war, very picturesque. I'll be having them made with zischagge and with tricorne. And the trumpeter adds even more colour. Not the best cavalry in the war (I think that honour goes to the French elites and British Horse) but the most picturesque.

After the basics are done for the major powers (line infantry and grenadiers, basic Horse, artillery and high command), we'll be going back to cover less common troops like dragoons, hussars, guards, and distinctive minor players, such as Brandenburg-Prussia, as well as more grenadier caps.

These sat at the casters for months, and when I got the paintups I wrote them to ask if they were done yet. They told me they hadn't even been started yet so I asked for them back and will be sending them to another caster. All too common in this business I'm afraid.

Good to hear! Thanks Khurasan!
"Even though I have my suspicions that people really want these to backdate the range to the War of the Grand Alliance! wink" Well if that is the case a win win for everyone!

Could anyone answer at what approximate date the Dutch shifted from the old hats to the new? Also any update on the release for these? Hope you're having luck with the new caster.

VonPlutz the Robert Hall CD shows them appearing around 1702-1705. Another source says they had a low brim turned up so they never made the tight tricorne. Hope that helps.
I too am impatiently waiting on Khurasan Dutch releases:) !
Also any updates for Austrian cuirassiers? Really need those too.

The new range is wonderful. Great to see the early 18th century is being supported and in such a thorough manner. Bravo! I will be purchasing these for my new La Guerre Du Roi army. I have French and British/Allied but I think these would have made a better edition to the collection. Wonderful!

The figures look fantastic!

Will there be special figures for German cavalry? or will they be the same as the Dutch?

Also when do you think the Allied Dragoons (mounted) will be ready?

Lastly will the Hanoverian/Hessian Infantry be the same as the Dutch or closer to the Prussian/Brandenburger's?

Oh and French Dragoons? Will they be making an appearance?

A couple more questions…

Any plans to have mounted Alliance Dragoons carrying carbines?

Will the Danish cavalry be the same as the Dutch?

Any Danish Cuirassier?

Well, the models have been pretty popular so far. The mouldmaker seriously dropped the ball on these so we are back to the drawing board on getting these models cast. The Dutch, the British, and other stuff all awaiting mould making. Had the moulds been timely made the Dutch and the British would be for sale right now.

Things like dragoons and minor nations will be filled in after the major nations are done. Right now that's pretty much just the Austrians.

Thanks for the update khurasan I was wondering what happened to these.