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xxxxxxx02 Apr 2014 6:12 a.m. PST

Let's try again …

A great update to the already great web page of Mr. Gingerich :

link

- Sasha

Widowson09 Apr 2014 2:36 p.m. PST

Very good stuff. I hope he can get around to a comprehensive guide to Russian flags.

138SquadronRAF09 Apr 2014 4:46 p.m. PST

Thanks for that link Alexandre. Very useful and nicely presented.

14Bore Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2014 5:32 p.m. PST

A must have for Russian Army collectors.

jeffreyw327 Apr 2014 8:23 a.m. PST

Third battalion pompons were red w/yellow center, not light blue w/white?

xxxxxxx27 Apr 2014 9:03 a.m. PST

Jeffrey,

Yes.

The error stems from Viskovatov, who interpreted a proposal for an implemented order. The order was formally implemented as a "law" or "regulation" in 1817.

Having said that, the Klein watercolors drawn from life begin to show the blue with white in sketches done in late 1814 and 1815 (after the peace). But these were not colored until later. So, maybe the new colors were implemented a bit before 1817, or maybe Klein just used what he was seeing at the time he colored his drawings.

In any case, the red with yellow is correct for 1812, 1813 and most likely 1814 until the peace. A modern Russian researcher figured this out just a few years ago when researching in the archives for his book on Russian marine infantry. The marines were being ordered to "dress like army" and among the details were the pompom colors, including the red with yellow. At first the researcher thought the marines just got it wrong, but when checking more carefully the army's orders, he discovered Viskovatov's mistake.

Interesting, no ?

- Sasha

jeffreyw327 Apr 2014 6:48 p.m. PST

Merci encore une fois…

sukhoi28 Apr 2014 9:49 a.m. PST

That's so good!

Greystreak01 May 2014 7:06 a.m. PST

The graphic representation of the scheme referred to by Sasha is as follows:

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