| Mako11 | 01 Apr 2014 7:16 p.m. PST |
A "double hat trick". Someone, please buy that man a drink. I would, but am on the wrong side of the pond. |
| capncarp | 01 Apr 2014 7:54 p.m. PST |
Ya know, I unstifled everyone on my stifle list about 2 weeks ago. But grinding through TW's posts made me realize I may have been a bit hasty in at least one case. |
| Bertie | 01 Apr 2014 9:04 p.m. PST |
@Legion
"And BTW No Gun Ri was proved to be a false event"
Could you tell us who proved that No Gun Ri was a "false event?" Even the American 2001 report acknowledges that American troops shot at and killed civilian refugees at No Gun Ri: link The only matters in dispute are whether the shooting was carried out under orders and the numbers killed. It was a very real event. Cheers,
Bertie |
| Ben Waterhouse | 02 Apr 2014 2:08 a.m. PST |
Top drills. A few less of the Queen's enemies. |
| Airborne Engineer | 02 Apr 2014 3:42 a.m. PST |
"TelesticWarrior Zone of control, My point wasn't that it was good shooting or not, it is questioning whether it was a good shot or not is even important when we are talking about the slaughter of children and reporters armed only with camera's. War is not a game." I can't fathom how anyone can be blind enough to view that video and not see a good shoot. You had a couple of insurgents who moonlighted as journalists (or vice versa) in the middle of a group of insurgents armed with rifles and RPGs. That squad of insurgents was engaged in a battle with US forces. The 'journalist' was participating in the battle acting as a forward observer for the RPG gunner. You will note that he leaned around the corner with his camera, took photographs of the US forces to provide the layout of the deployment, showed those photographs to the RPG gunner so he knew what he was going to be shooting at when he leaned around the corner and were then engaged by the Apaches.
The children, were brought into the engagement by someone attempting to help the wounded insurgents escape and possibly gather up the weapons for later usage. There is a reason it is a war crime to fight without wearing a uniform and bearing arms openly. It is to prevent civilians being mistaken for combatants because combatants are posing as civilians. The blame for this lies squarely on the heads of those who picked up a rifle without donning a uniform. And in this case they did it solely to increase the odds of civilian casualties and mistaken identity shootings. If you try to use your van as an APC with your kids in the back it is your fault they were there, not the fault of the people you are fighting. |
 Legion 4  | 02 Apr 2014 6:03 a.m. PST |
Bertie … I believe I have, heard otherwise since 2001 … but that is the problem with this sort of thing … I was not there so I don't really know … However, after doing some quick research online. It appears you are correct … that some civilains were killed by US troops at No Gun Ri. The number and who gave the order, if there was an order are still in question … However if only one civilain was killed, it is too many. Again, as I have said many times before. Bad things happen during war time … and war should be avoided if at all possible … only as a last resort … |
| Bertie | 02 Apr 2014 8:55 a.m. PST |
Legion… I'm with you all the way on that.
Cheers,
Bertie |
| Edwulf | 02 Apr 2014 5:58 p.m. PST |
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| Legion 4 | 03 Apr 2014 7:04 a.m. PST |
Bertie –  |
| Legion 4 | 04 Apr 2014 12:14 p.m. PST |
And today on the Afghan Front, two female Western reporters, were shot by one of the guards that was supposed to protect them. Report said, he yelled "Allah Akbar" and shot them. One is dead, one is wounded … You can't make this stuff up … They were Western females, something the Taliban and there ilk hate … Some in that region are still living in the 15th Century. |
| Mako11 | 04 Apr 2014 10:29 p.m. PST |
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| Bangorstu | 05 Apr 2014 3:03 a.m. PST |
Actually the assailant was a policeman, not one of the guards. And if Afghanistan today millions are queuing up in defiance of the Taliban to have their say. The first peaceful exchange of power in that country since 1901. The Afghans aren't all Taliban – far from it. |
| GeoffQRF | 05 Apr 2014 6:48 a.m. PST |
It's not always clear cut. He surrendered immediately after the shooting. The interior ministry said the officer who shot the women had commanded a police unit, which had been under 48 hours of mortar attack from insurgents across the border in Pakistan. He may have mistakenly thought the car was carrying insurgents as the police were unaware that the journalists were travelling in the area, interior ministry spokesman Sidiq Siddiqi said. |
| Legion 4 | 06 Apr 2014 8:34 a.m. PST |
Yes stu …a later report confirmed that … And yes, we know that all Afghans are not Taliban. The Talis/Jihadists are a very vocal minority. Supported by the Pak Gov't, and that was reconfirmed again today on CNN. And again, from CNN, it's pretty certain the Pak Gov't knows/is harboring UBL's 2nd/2IC al-Zawahiri. So I don't know if the tail is wagging the dog or what ? But regardless of the recent elections, the vocal minority with Pak support will continue to rock the boat. The Paks only hold card is the fact they have Nucs[to primarily use against India so it is believed ?]. Taliban/Jihadists supported by a someone who has nucs has to be a nightmare scenario. In anyone's mind … Goeff, I have not heard that, regardless, that sounds like a good cover story, to me … If it is one thing many Westerns who have been in the region know, is not to trust anyone, whether ANA, Police, Gov't Officials, little kid carring a basket, etc. … Watch when the US/NATO leaves, how it all goes back to from bad to worse. And hopefully the West will maintain a fleet of drones orbiting in the region, just in cases. If for no other reason than al-Zawahiri may get bold and show his face at the wrong place at the wrong time. Plus to halt any group from trying to turn the region into a bigger safe harbor from more terrorist movements that could threaten the the West … again … The average Afghani is not a terrorist … However, generally you can't tell which Afghani is a terrorist, until it is too late. |
| Bangorstu | 06 Apr 2014 12:29 p.m. PST |
What has been impressive is that the ANA and ANP appear to have pulled off protecting an election with minimal Taliban interference…. It might just be that we've done a little good out there. |
| Legion 4 | 06 Apr 2014 3:43 p.m. PST |
Maybe so stu … maybe so … I certainly hope so … But I think I heard there were 20 deaths during the election. The election the Taliban said they'd try to disrupt … And some poling places had to be shut down. Of course it could have been much worse … And the election happened regardless. |
| Lion in the Stars | 06 Apr 2014 6:53 p.m. PST |
What has been impressive is that the ANA and ANP appear to have pulled off protecting an election with minimal Taliban interference… Yes, I'd be proud to buy the ANA/ANP troops an appropriate beverage for a job well done! I'd also be a very broke Lion afterwards, because there were a whole lot of ANA/ANP busting their butts to make that election work. |
| Legion 4 | 07 Apr 2014 7:44 a.m. PST |
As I said, we'll see what happens when the US/NATO, pulls out en mass. Tribalism, corruption, ethnic hatred, jihadists, warlords, Pak supported Taliban, foreign fighters, islamists fanatics, etc., etc., etc. … I may be wrong but I have a feeling that within a year or so, it all goes back to the chaos like just after the Russians left. Keep that drone fleet available, IMO … |
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