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B6GOBOS25 Mar 2014 4:51 p.m. PST

Is anyone out there still playing this? I did, a lot back when it first came out.
Now I am interested in restarting a new American Rev War army using these rules again. But this time instead of 15mm I would like to do it in 25mm.
So, if anyone out there plays this in 25mm I would be interested in any changes to the scale you do. Also how you organize your regiments ( number stands per regiment).
Thank you looking forward to hearing from you
Mark

doc mcb Inactive Member25 Mar 2014 4:53 p.m. PST

I use some of the mechanisms in my home-brew rules, but don't play directly from the published rules.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2014 5:02 p.m. PST

I have heard of them, but never tried them.
Frankly, I am just tired of looking for the "perfect" AWI rules. I have settled on The Sword and the Flame for "skirmish" level games and Age of Reason for regimental level games. My group is familiar with both, so why re-invent the wheel?
YMMV

Happy Little Trees Inactive Member25 Mar 2014 5:23 p.m. PST

I believe British Grenadier uses a version of LFAS's movement/fatigue/DP system. But I haven't played either.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2014 5:30 p.m. PST

As I recall (I could be wrong), LFAS was aimed at a skirmish level game. In fact I thought it modeled the British retreat from Lexington and Concord.

Toronto48 Inactive Member25 Mar 2014 7:54 p.m. PST

The Rules are still available . You can link to the rules from the Free War Game Rules site
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or directly from Legio Wargames at

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The game is more then a skirmish set as it can cover various sized battles. It stresses command control and disruption points "British Grenadier" is similar but a different set of rules.

I played LFAS around 10 years ago and it was a good set but is dated now. It is, let's say ,less comprehensive then current sets like Black Powder but it can give a good game once players become familiar with it

You can see the scales it uses from this exert from the rules

Scales

1 figure = 10 men. 1 inch = 25 yards. 1 turn = approx. 5 minutes. 1 model gun = 2 pieces of artillery.


Organisation

Infantry: in 'companies' of three figures to a base. Unit size = 9 – 30 figures.

Cavalry: in 'troops' of two figures to a base. Unit size = 4 – 12 figures.

Skirmishers: Individually based. Fire in groups of 3 figures. Maximum unit size = 15 figures.

Artillery: Each model gun has a crew of 3 figures and a team of horses.

One company/troop/base in each unit should be clearly identified as the 'Command Group' (e.g. by using a flag of officer figure).

Trierarch25 Mar 2014 11:59 p.m. PST

Our group played Loose Files quite a bit
Both in 15mm and 25/28mm
We used the same measurements in each without problems
ie inches all round.
We also tried "Real men's inches" 40mm/1.5" per inch which does work but is not really necessary.

I'm not sure I'd agree with Toronto48 that they are dated, though arguably they could use a command system. Personally I quite like simple order writing, but I seem to be in the minority these days :-)

Supercilius Maximus26 Mar 2014 11:40 a.m. PST

I wouldn't have thought LF&AS was designed for Lexington and Concord, as that formation wasn't in use in April 1775.

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2014 5:07 p.m. PST

So the problem with that scale – one inch equals 25 yards – is that for 25mm figures close range (50 yards) looks too close. Long range would be what, 6 inches?

Jefthing27 Mar 2014 12:36 p.m. PST

Still my favourite set for AWI, even after all these years, although I have tweaked it a bit as there are some holes. I have used it for 6, 15 and 20mm and plan to use it again when I start on 25s.
At 15/20mm you can use the same measurements, but at 25 I would 'add half' so that units move DAV x 1.5 inches, musket range is 12" etc.
Hope this helps.

Beagle15 Mar 2016 4:42 p.m. PST

Are there any scenarios floating around out there for LFAS? I see that there are some mods bringing the rules down into the early 18th century, 17th and even 16th century. Anybody put together any battle TO&E?

Supercilius Maximus15 Mar 2016 11:47 p.m. PST

Beagle,

You can use the four "British Grenadier" scenario books for this rule set – and any other rules, come to that.

Malbrook Inactive Member24 Apr 2016 9:05 p.m. PST

YES (with modifications).

I have 25mm, so my basing is a little different to cope. I'm using 1:15 figure ratio. Most troops based in open order (2 on a 40x20mm base), but with two ranks of bases. This lets me keep the ground scale. To represent extended order, just put the bases in a single rank. Only my Hessians are based in close order and do they have a look of mass when compared to open order troops.

I'm toying with a change in how orders are done.

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