"15mm low level monster types needed?" Topic

Giant insects, like the old Fantasy Trip Hymenopterans, would be great.

Not sure if somebody already proposed them, but how about Fimir? I think nobody is offering them nowadays.
And while we're at it, and speaking of sheer numbers, 15mm Snotlings would be fun too!

So would whoever makes slimes and jellies and oozes need to go more the Pathfinder look or the classic D&D?

Also, which types would be the generals of the slime armies? I am thinking the gelatinous cube would be the front runner.

@Splintered Light Miniatures- Do you want a Cube as your warband leader? I don't think so. I see them more as a Heavy Unit.

If we color code them (ie Green Slimes), I think we have to go Green as the Classic (1974 I believe) D&D Wall, floor slime.. But slimes are a subsections of the Ooze type. So you could use D&D ads a reference…

But, if you take the category of ooze(Which has a category of Slimes, deadly puddings and Jellies and such) I think you are opening up Pandora's box.

Whereas I believe Pathfinder has only Green Slimes and more categories of Molds and Fungi. (Pg 417 of the Core Rulebook) Can anyone confirm or deny the slimes and subsequent categories in the Pathfinder world?

Respectfully,

RebelMike
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Hold on a second. Why would the gelatinous cube not make a great heavy leader. It is the king of the oozes as it were. The way it stuns its prey with a paralyzing electric shock screams leader.

Regarding the slimes and oozes, perhaps Pandora's box needs to be opened. Given the wide array of defenses the various slimes and oozes and jellies possess, a variety of them in an army would give opponents fits trying to combine arms in such a way as to meet the variety of threats.

David
splinteredlightminis.com

I don't think there is a hierarchy in Ooze. :)
Plus the size of a gelatinous cube would have it absorbing other Slimes and ooze as it draws near.. You would soon have a single entity.

If you are going with a Slime army, you have to focus on ooze subsections that do NOT absorb their own kind. I think your are thinking of Cubes from the white and red boxes(1977-1989) I am thinking 2nd Edition and up. Take a look at Fiend Folio Monstrous Compendium from 1992.

As for Pandora's Box, You have already opened it my Friend!

RebelMike
Rebelminis.com

You make a fair point and pulling out the second edition certainly reinforces your point. Perhaps the gelatinous cube would need to be a separate monster stand to avoid the absorption of the other slime units.

I do still maintain that the chaos multiple types of ooze would create on the battle field would be worth any incidental absorption that might take place at times. Certainly a competent general would be able to keep that to a minimum.

David
splinteredlightminis.com

Hmm, That would make sense. As separate monster stand you would not be subjected to requirements of the cube or gelatinous category. Since by nature the GC is neutral, how would you control it?

I would agree with you on the chaos of the battlefield. Something similar to this?

Maybe with Variation of Slimes/oozes? If you have any old Dragon Magazines there were stats for Black Slimes(Dragon #250)and Corpse Slime (Dragon #303). Those would make a good start for army Slime Ooze Army…

Just thinking off the top of my head…

RebelMike
RebelMinis.com

Lanfrancus I think 15mm snotlings can already be fielded using any 3mm miniatures … painted green!

Fimir are a product specifically of GW so I don't think I'd make those.

Voting has died down a bit over the last day or two and Kobolds squeaked ahead (as they are wont to do) so it looks like it may be them. Which suits me! They will be smaller reptilians to go with the larger lizardmen I'm currently making. Goblins and Hobgoblins were next, and so I think it would be hobgoblins because goblins are a bit close to kobolds anyway ….

A nice contrast -- 9mm Kobolds and 19mm hobgoblins! Hobgobbos are often shown in Asian inspired garb and I have something in mind for mine ….

so khurasan works on the kobolds and hobgobbos, and slimes also get an army…15mm fantasy weeps in love this day.

Most kobolds throughout D&D history were not reptillian. Most of the incarnations always had a sort of canine thing going on except 2nd ed which had that weird goggle-eyed mini goblin thing going on. Something goblimish would dove tail with your orcs pretty nicely as long as you resisted the pointy faced, gremlin ears, green skin that has dominated goblin design thanks to GW.

-Eli

They've been reptilian since 1st ed AD&D, which is most of the history of D&D.

A nice contrast -- 9mm Kobolds and 19mm hobgoblins! Hobgobbos are often shown in Asian inspired garb and I have something in mind for mine ….

I'd love to see some 15mm Middle Eastern orcs/hobgoblins…

Another option for the low-level monsters is rats/giant rats. I mean, I've seen a real rat bigger than a small dog before (chasing said dog out of an alley!), so I'd hate to see a truly giant rat!

Don't think people would likely build armies of giant rats -- really the best low hit die monsters to make are the ones that would also serve as rank and file in armies. The models are more versatile.

Pardon me,

I was referring to their change from dog-faced scaley humanoids to outright tiny lizardmen. The orginal artwork in 1st ed was very fanciful in its mix of physical traits – canine faces, tiny devil horns, ratlike tails.

The newest incarnation loses all of that fantastic character and makes them look like little more than little lizardmen with slightly draconic features.

-Eli

I agree with Jon, I really don't see a huge army of Rats, but I love giant rats for some reason :)

RebelMike
RebelMinis.com

Progress report -- the lizardman submasters arrived yesterday and I'm very pleased with them. It's 16 poses, 6 with primitive hand weapons, six with crude spears, and a command set of chieftain, standardbearer, drummer and shaman.

The hobgoblin army is well underway as well. The sword poses are made, six poses with a big straight sword and a large rectangular shield, for troops that fight close together and form a shield wall as they stab through with their swords.

Next to be made will be composite bow archers and war scythes to protect them from mounted, a sort of bill and bow unit. The mounted will then be made, riding on entelodonts. Then command of course.

Kobolds will follow, as will several other iterations of lizardmen.

For a while I was worried about making lizardmen and hobgoblins, as both are very large, very fierce low level monsters, but now I'm quite pleased with the mix -- I realised they are like fantasy versions of Romans and Celts! The hobgoblins with their heavy armour, rectangular shields and stabbing swords are like disciplined legionaries, whereas the lizardmen, charging wildly at high speed in a mob, emotionless in the face of injury, are like Celtic fanatics. I can actually see the two fielded as armies using those two historical army lists! (Early imperial Romans and early Galatians probably best.)

Lizardmen in sleek Powered Armor with energy weapons (OK, not for low level types).

Perhaps the 1/72 scale Ralnai powered armor figures from Starguard! will help:

tin-soldier.com/ralnai.html

They're 1/72 scale so a hair over 1 inch tall, so they'll work as really large and nasty reptilian aliens in 15mm…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
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The mounted will then be made, riding on entelodonts. Then command of course.

OK. Looks like I'll be taking the plunge into 15mm fantasy perhaps sooner than I had planned…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
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Would ERM's frog folk work as Bullywugs?

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