| serg joe | 02 Feb 2014 7:17 a.m. PST |
gents ,
were there any invalid French generals, and if so why not go to the hotel des invalides?.
wWhy not take their pensions? Was there someting like an organisation like infantry with infantry, and guard, with guard?.
I know the austian had invalide batalions? at austerlitz led by invalide officers. |
| abelp01 | 02 Feb 2014 9:23 a.m. PST |
From the little reading I've done on the "etat-major", most had very comfortable homes/estates to which they would return. |
| serg joe | 02 Feb 2014 11:35 a.m. PST |
dear abel01:
And the second part of my question ?
So every general was made baron with his own estate?
So there were no invalid general in the field?
GREETINGS serg joe |
| abelp01 | 02 Feb 2014 3:25 p.m. PST |
No clue on the second, never read about any type of invalide Generals unit. But you're speaking of generals and at height of the Empire, very many became very rich. A perfect example of this was Marshal Massena, technically a General. Sorry I can't be of any further help, but I'm sure someone with a better grasp of the subject may come along soon. |
| serg joe | 04 Feb 2014 3:17 p.m. PST |
Ok wrong question asked ,
At asterlitz there was an invalid unt led by invalid officers? but the first question eas partly answered were there unites formed not from generals but from NCOS or officers in general in the hotel des invalides? greetings serg joe |
| Lilian | 05 Feb 2014 1:29 p.m. PST |
there is the famous case of General Daumesnil who wasn't exactly "in the field" but as military governor of Vincennes he resisted two times to the Allied when whole Paris was occupied in 1814 and 1815, and the famous sentence he said, showing the leg he lost in 1809 "I shall surrender Vincennes when I get my leg back!"
there were a lot of Invalids companies in the French Army before 1792 (reaching a total of 156 companies under Louis XV if I remember) but they were reduced and replaced by Veteran and others Sedentary units after 1792 and of course there was still the Invalids of Paris;
The Spanish Army too had Invalids units
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| serg joe | 06 Feb 2014 7:25 a.m. PST |
At last someone understood my questions wright thanks very much dear lilian.
I love anwers like this.
I need no anwers to make fun of megreetings from the Netherlands serg joe |
| SJDonovan | 06 Feb 2014 7:38 a.m. PST |
According to Elting's 'Swords Around A Throne', French invalids were generally termed 'veterans' and those capable of limited active service were used for things like garrison duty at seaports and fortified towns. In 1813-14 they handed over their muskets to arm the boy-levies (the Marie-Louises) and received pikes in their place. However, some companies did go back into combat around Hamburg, Paris and Rome. |
| serg joe | 08 Feb 2014 7:58 a.m. PST |
Dear gents,
And woman thanks. for helping to get this info.
grts erg joe |
| Murvihill | 08 Feb 2014 8:38 a.m. PST |
As far as why they'd continue to serve when they could be at home by the warm fire, a few points:
-Some people actually enjoy working.
-Some people actually enjoy fighting: whether it's the adrenaline rush of getting shot at, the power of command or because they like to hurt people, the thrill is there for them.
-Some people take the idea that they are serving a greater good seriously and will step up if they feel they can contribute. |
| serg joe | 08 Feb 2014 9:47 a.m. PST |
And the hight of their pension?
Rank wize?
Or losing limb arm or leg?. grts serg joe |
| Lilian | 14 May 2017 7:26 p.m. PST |
hello a list of 10 others French generals I have found with Daumesnil still actives under Napoleon, even invalids, many commanding (Territorial) Military Divisions or Places -Brigade General JOUAN (left arm) 7th Military Division commanding the Brigade of Geneva -General DARNAUD (left leg) 13th then 14th Military Divisions -Division General BELLAVENE (a leg) inspector of the Military Schools -General GEITHER (right arm) german-born, commanding 2nd Brigade in the defence of Strasbourg 1814, then commanding besieged place of Landau until 15th september 1815 -Division General GRANGE ET DE FOURILLES (arm) 3rd Reserve Division then 2nd of the 11th Corps then 31st Infantry Division… -Brigade General Henri SIMON (right arm) reactived 1812 Place of Roma then commanding the Côte d'Or Dept 1813-1815 -Division General MAISONNEUVE (left leg) place of Bitche -General EBERLE (arm) place of Nice then of Briançon -Division General OLIVIER (leg) in Italy then 20th 16th Military Divisions, Army of the Escaut 1809 1st National Guards Division Army of the North -Brigade General POURAILY (left arm) former Colonel 8th light infantry, commanding in Military Croatia, served under Oudinot in the 12th Corps, then commanding 1st Brigade 2nd Reserve Division Army of the Pyrénées |
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