| khurasanminiatures | 21 Jan 2014 5:02 p.m. PST |
Making the Dutch now and the most troublesome question concerns the infantry hats. Knotel shows them in a crude fold up, not really a tricorne at all but the old floppy hat turned up quite loosely on either side. He has the officers in proper tricornes however, in the same image.
However, I'm not sure how long this persisted into the WSS and am a bit dubious of it TBH. Anyone here have Goldberg and Goldberg's "Dutch Army 1701-1714" by any chance? I assume that would have some guidance on the subject. The only image I've seen from that book is one plate, showing guards in 1705 in a proper tricorne. But of course they're guards…. |
| skinkmasterreturns | 21 Jan 2014 6:09 p.m. PST |
If you do keep the hat on the looser side,the figures could be used for the earlier Nine Years War as well.Its been my experience that fashion wise or equipment wise nothing disappears instantly in a given year. |
| Camcleod | 21 Jan 2014 6:24 p.m. PST |
From the NYPL Collection:
link Most seem to be in proper tricornes. |
| khurasanminiatures | 21 Jan 2014 7:17 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the link, but those are Austrians! I just poked around a bit more, though, and here are the Dutch:
link They seem to be in floppy hats with sides loosely folded up until around 1708-9, then tricornes. Officers seem to always have tricornes. So it looks like I need to have both. That's assuming the source is correct of course!  |
 enfant perdus  | 21 Jan 2014 8:12 p.m. PST |
Not all of those images are native Dutch regiments, however. Some are subsidy troops, Danes being especially represented. FWIW, and as a long time enthusiast of the WSS, I think the best "middle ground" option would be informal tricornes for the rank and file. It's worthwhile remembering that at this stage the ties were still a functional item, and soldiers would let the brim in or out as circumstance (typically weather) demanded. So, the idea of a neat, well blocked tricorne was still someways off. |
| khurasanminiatures | 21 Jan 2014 8:27 p.m. PST |
Thanks. It's just a head swap to go from informal tricorne to neater three fold tricorne -- that's what I'll be doing. |
| doug redshirt | 21 Jan 2014 9:03 p.m. PST |
I read an account of how a a Swedish general watching troops fording a river told an observer how to tell the veteran regiments from new ones by their hats. New regiments still had the hats as tricornes, while the old veterans all had floppy hats. |
| Wardlaw | 22 Jan 2014 3:36 a.m. PST |
Tricornes can rapidly turn into floppy hats on campaign… |
| Porthos | 22 Jan 2014 4:31 a.m. PST |
Jon: here is a Dutch site: rampjaar.blogspot.nl which could help. The word "rampjaar", BTW, means "disastrous year", the year 1672 when the Republic was attacked by the French, the English, the bishop of Münster and the Bishop of Cologne. We beat them all (;-)). |
| Delbruck | 22 Jan 2014 1:57 p.m. PST |
read an account of how a a Swedish general watching troops fording a river told an observer how to tell the veteran regiments from new ones by their hats. New regiments still had the hats as tricornes, while the old veterans all had floppy hats. I have to agree with Mr Redshirt and Mr Perdus. During a campaign informal tricornes were more common than formal. Informal tricornes would be a nice variant, and useful for many armies in the last half of the Nine Years War. |
explores the Master & Commander starter set for Black Seas.
