| Tango01 | 11 Jan 2014 9:24 p.m. PST |
"The Naval Battle of the Yalu River (17 September 1894) was a Japanese victory that saw them inflict heavy losses on the main Chinese fleet early in the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95. The war had started with a Japanese victory at sea at Phung-Tao or Asan on 25 July 1894), before the official declaration of war. One Chinese cruiser had been badly damaged, one gun boat sunk and another captured and a troopship carrying reinforcements to Korea had been sunk. After this initial clash the Chinese Peiyang fleet had been ordered to sea, although it had been forbidden to cross a line between the Shantung Promontory on the Chinese coast at the Yalu River at the border between Korea and China. This meant that the Japanese fleet was able to operate safely along the western coast of Korea. In mid-September Admiral Ting Ju-ch'ang, commander of the Peiyang fleet, led his ships out to see to support a troop convoy that was heading to the Yalu. On 15 September the Chinese fleet met the transports, and on 16 September the troops were safely landed. On the night of 16-17 September the Chinese fleet anchored ten miles south-east of Talu Island, off the Tayang River…"
Full article here.
link Anyone has wargame this? Amicalement
Armand |
| Texas Jack | 12 Jan 2014 3:24 a.m. PST |
Iīve gamed this many times in 1/3000. I have found if you force the Chinese to use their historical tactics, they inevitably lose. However, if they come at the Japanese in line ahead, despite losing considerable fire power from their two battleships, they can win it half the time. I love gaming this and I will be doing so again this year.  |
| The Monstrous Jake | 12 Jan 2014 10:40 a.m. PST |
I've gamed this a number of times: link link |
| CampyF | 12 Jan 2014 12:10 p.m. PST |
Wargamed this years ago. Actually a fun game, if you play it right. The Chinese had more problems than just their formation. At least one ship fled before the battle. I read the captain of the flagship refused to follow the Admiral's orders. Some shells were filled with sawdust. Dig around. It is a time and battle very much worth checking out. |
| Texas Jack | 12 Jan 2014 1:51 p.m. PST |
Thatīs an interesting point on the defective shells. I have seen this in many accounts of the battle (though usually it is cement that is in the shells), but there has been no proof of this. I wonder if maybe this was a "fact" invented by the Chinese to help explain away the catastrophic loss. |
| The Monstrous Jake | 12 Jan 2014 2:17 p.m. PST |
Agreed with Texas Jack. I also haven't found a reliable source that indicates how many of the shells (if any) had sawdust (or sand or cement) instead of gunpowder, and which ships (if any) carried the defective shells. The Chinese ships did do some damage to the Japanese, which would seem to imply that at least some of the Chinese shells were functioning properly. |
| KTravlos | 12 Jan 2014 2:45 p.m. PST |
The case of the fragging of Admiral Ding by the captain of the flagship though is reliable is it not? |
| Tango01 | 12 Jan 2014 8:50 p.m. PST |
Many thanks for your comments boys. Amicalement
Armand |
 foxbat  | 13 Jan 2014 5:40 a.m. PST |
I'm intending to game it some day.
For those interested, here is an account of the Yalu Battle, by Captain Philo Norton McGiffin, who was an American and an Annapolis graduate, and in command of the Chinese battleship Chen Yuen. link He was wounded during the battle, and left the Chinese service to return to the States where he committed suicide 2 years later. |
| CampyF | 13 Jan 2014 7:53 a.m. PST |
These were simpler times. I doubt the Japanese did an analysis of Chinese duds, so you probably won't find confirmation of any issues, if they did exist. Given the endemic corruption present in Chinese society, it is not that unbelievable. How widespread it was is unknowable. Certainly many shells worked. |
| Tango01 | 13 Jan 2014 11:11 a.m. PST |
Many thanks for share Foxbat!. Amicalement
Armand |
| 1x6000 | 13 Jan 2014 1:43 p.m. PST |
I have done all the missing ships for Yalu in 1/6000. For a complete list of available resin m iniatures here's a download link datafilehost.com/d/255199a4 All the best (and a bit lately 'happy new year'!) Christian |
| 1x6000 | 13 Jan 2014 1:51 p.m. PST |
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| 1x6000 | 14 Jan 2014 12:18 p.m. PST |
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