"Northern Wars 1648-1730 site" Topic

In 2011 I thought I might recover the northernwars. com website from archive.org, but, I found that there were a large proportion of the illustrations missing from all archived versions. Anyway, I finally got around to retrieving what was left and attempting to replace the illustrations. I have uploaded it to:
Northern Wars 1648-1730 with a mirror at Northern Wars 1648-1730

If anyone has saved any missing pages or pictures that are missing, let me know.
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There are a number of PDF files. Some of these are packaged versions of a number of web pages.

They can be found on:
Battles And Campaigns
Orders of Battle
Polish-Lithuanian Armies 1653-1716
&
Northern Wars – Organisation, Uniforms, Battles and Campaigns for those that are not linked by a surviving page.

Missing PDF files include:
Adlerfeld.pdf – The Military History of Charles XII
P%E4lk%E4ne.pdf – The Battle of Pälkäne 1713
Gem%E4uerthof.pdf – The Battle of Gemäuerth of 1705
Russian Army at Dorpat 1704.pdf – The Russian Army at Dorpat 1704

If anyone has a missing PDF file let me know.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Fantastic work! Much appreciated!

Excellent stuff. Thank you.

I have PDFs for Palkane and Gemauerth. Please contact me at Burker1 (at) aol (dot) com so we can work out the best way for me to send you copies.

Thanks to Druzhina and Bob Burke for helping to restore this site!

Invaluable work. Thanks a lot!

Here is a list of all the PDFs I have:

Imperial Austrian Army 1683-1720

Gemäuerthof
Jacobstadt
Kalisz, Battle of
Kalisz
KRIGET I FINLAND
Palkane
Punitz
Storkyro
STRESOW
THE_BATTLE_OF_STRESOW
The_Battle_of_Wismar_1711
The_Eleven_Years_War_1709-1720
Warsaw, Battle of
Warsaw
Wismar

Eleven_Years_War_1709-1720

Saxon Army 1700-1716

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I was surprised to find my Courier article (of 20+ years ago) on the site. I am in good and surprising company with Marrion and Peter Hofschröer. Not complaining, but copyright??

Is that something that was done with permission from original site's owner – Dan Schorr? If not, there are my texts there as well (Organization of the Lithuania Army 1653-1667 and Small Polish-English Dictionary of XVII Century Warfare) that I gave only to Dan to use, not to someone else.

"Druzhina" does not seem to be particularly concerned with copyright or proper sourcing of the material found at the site. I was surprised to find both a photo and part of the text I posted together with it here at TMP as part of the Gush chapter about the Swedish army. There was neither a link to the original TMP topic or quote marks, in effect the casual reader would have no clue that that particular part of the site was not Druzhina's work. The only thing that happend when I pointed this out to Druzhina was that a gained a new stifle, a fate which may befall Kadrinazi and Tricorne1971 as well

I note a similar pattern with the "restored" Northern Wars site, there are no clues at all in many places that it is the work of Dan Schorr, not "Druzhina". Only some (but not all) of the PDF's have the actual author(s) named.

I wrote to Dan Schorr and he was as surprised as I am, he didn't know that his website was used as such. Therefore I would like both my texts, signed 'Michal 'Kadrinazi' Paradowski to be removed from site, as I didn't gave 'Druzhina' permission to use them.

Sorry, but the Miami-Dade Public Library System is blocking access:

Some security programs aren't very specific. They blanket a domain with the same warnings. For free sites that are sub-domains of a host's domains, a specific by sub-domain rating would be more useful.

See if the same warning appears on the mirror site.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Daniel S

"Druzhina" does not seem to be particularly concerned with copyright or proper sourcing of the material found at the site. I was surprised to find both a photo and part of the text I posted together with it here at TMP as part of the Gush chapter about the Swedish army. There was neither a link to the original TMP topic or quote marks, in effect the casual reader would have no clue that that particular part of the site was not Druzhina's work. The only thing that happend when I pointed this out to Druzhina was that a gained a new stifle, a fate which may befall Kadrinazi and Tricorne1971 as well

I note a similar pattern with the "restored" Northern Wars site, there are no clues at all in many places that it is the work of Dan Schorr, not "Druzhina". Only some (but not all) of the PDF's have the actual author(s) named.

I must have missed you pointing this out. I haven't stifled you. What name would you like as attribution? Is the photo one you took or what is its source? I can add this as well. This has not been added to a Gush article, there is a link to a separate page in the link section at the bottom of a page.

Author's names appear wearever they appear on the archive.org versions. The contact e-mail given no longer works.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Kadrinazi

I wrote to Dan Schorr and he was as surprised as I am, he didn't know that his website was used as such. Therefore I would like both my texts, signed 'Michal 'Kadrinazi' Paradowski to be removed from site, as I didn't gave 'Druzhina' permission to use them.

It just happens that these two articles do not appear on the site. If you can get archive.org to take these down, I will remove the links to them.

Would you give me Dan Schorr's contact details? Or he can contact me here

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Druzhina,

I clicked on several of the links you posted, none of them were allowed to open.

Druzhina,

I clicked on several of the links you posted, none of them were allowed to open.

Did you do this at the library that was blocking them?
The mirror site for the links to other PDFs is Northern Wars – Organisation, Uniforms, Battles and Campaigns

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Regarding authors of articles at Northern Wars.
I have no more knowledge of who the authors of particular articles are than is on the articles. If the original articles did not contain this information, they still don't.

Even if I knew, I can't change the PDFs at archive.org
If anyone wishes to claim authorship of articles I can add this to the html (including links to PDF versions) if they wish (when I have time). Including the name in the link text will be used by Google to help identify the file pointed to (but not as much as having it in the file as well as the link).

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Druzhina,

YES…everything I mentioned above took place at the library, which just recently updated their system several months ago…everything was blocked and declared dangerous.

Has anyone here tried Archive.org 's WAYBACK machine to see if that works?

If some of the information is posted on Archive.org, some links would be nice.

The original Northern Wars site can be found on the Wayback Machine here:
link
I've not checked all the links from that page, but the ones I did check worked.

Andrew,
Yes if the library is blocking a site it won't let you see it. Does the mirror site work?

On Wayback Machine there are multiple copies of the Norhern Wars pages. Those later than about 2009 only have a redirection to an error page, so look for pages from 2008 or earlier. Some pages are more intact than others and some PDFs aren't linked from surviving html pages. It is only these time consuming problems that my single archived version helps with, plus smaller files as they don't have the very large amount of Wayback Machine html code, and when saved they will link to each other and not the Wayback Machine (as did the originals). Happy hunting.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Wukong…First off Thanks for the links…will check when I visit the library on Friday.

Druzhina…I don't know how many times and ways I have to reply to your queries, but one final try:

I clicked on several of your links, mirror and otherwise at the library and the computer would not let me pass. It's not allowing access and telling me the site(s) as in multiples, are TOXIC.

If these sites are Eastern European based, that might be the reason…though only you know that for sure.

Andrew

warfare.likamva.in is supposed to be South African based.

For anyone having difficulty with the above links, you can find direct links to the PDFs from northernwars.com

I may add author's names to these links later.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

As nice as it is to have access to Dan's site again, although it has always been available mostly on 'wayback' it just seems totally WRONG to take the content of someones site and republish it without the owners consent or acknowledgements, I personally would be very angry if it was done to me.

Dan has helped me several times with research and seems like a really nice bloke and I had actually considered hosting his site on mine when it finally gets up and running BUT I would have contacted him directly for permission and to get the original research material.

I would be interested in what other people think about this.

grafbretlach AT gmail.com

That is easier said than done as the site does not give the name of the owner and as Daniel S writes "there are no clues at all in many places that it is the work of Dan Schorr".

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

But site was set up by Dan and his name was known to many here, so it was very easy to just write on TMP (for example) asking for it ;) I'm sorry Druzhina but it's rather lame excuse that you're making. People that don't know that original site belongs to Dan could be under impression that You set it up and it's just not fair to Dan and other contributors with all time and effort that they put into site for years.
I exchanged emails with Dan as soon as I've seen this topic, he didn't gave Druzhina permission to resurrect the NorthernWars site. Dan wrote now to Wayback Machine at archive.org asking to remove all pages from their archive.

There are a lot of things I could do. This is not an excuse, it is an answer to Graf Bretlach, who by the way seems to think it is ok to access it from 'wayback'. Are you claiming you told him about the Way Back Machine? I had already advised him how this worked.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

I know You advised him about Wayback Machine, I'm just relating his emails to other interested in this topic. Dan already have answer from them and, given time, all references from his site will be removed.

Druzhina, having your old site on 'wayback' is different to hosting the contents of a site as yourself, they are just caching website data, and they state exactly what they are doing and will remove if requested, it is a useful service.

I appreciate what you are trying to do just feel you have gone about it the wrong way and maybe didn't realise the implications of your action.

perhaps the various parties involved will give permission as long as the correct acknowledgements are made, perhaps not.

most websites expect to have content downloaded/copied for personal use, but they don't expect their work to appear on other websites.

Just checked your site link and see it has changed, well done.

Although we have now lost all access to data from that site, it was the right thing to do.

People on the leagueofaugsburg.com site are always very happy to help including Dan.

We of the Hanseatic League despise the League of Augsburg, especially since they are also in league with some allegedly extraordinary gentlemen!

And suddenly my text about Lithuanian Army is listed hereL:
warfare2.netai.net/NW/OB.html
under Jan Wimmer – very funny…