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Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 8:29 a.m. PST

Without actually looking into it (this is the Internet, after all) this Kickstarter, President Wars, seems to have a theme that begs for a poll…

Which president would be able to whip up on all the others in single unarmed combat (be the "trump card" or the borken unit in this game)? Why?

While the artwork for the game suggests American presidents, I think it is legit to nominate presidents of other countries. Or other people in similar chief executive positions … Imelda Marcos comes to mind. :)

Not to open it up too wide for nominations, I would like to keep it limited to chief executives, and not necessarily all leaders. There are a number of military leaders who wielded chief executive authority, but another number of them who didn't. So I would say Genghis Kahn is in, but Douglas MacArthur is out.

Also, there are a lot of other national (in the broadest sense) leaders who were never chief executives but it might be funny to posit as warriors and badasses. Lets' leave them out as well. After all, if you're looking for someone to ridicule, why bother looking outside the cadre of chief executives?

A certain amount of "my president could beat up your president" is to be expected, but the whole point of this poll is absurd, so please don't take offense if someone ridicules a figure you respect.

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In that spirit, I would like to open the nominations with…

Margaret "Iron Lady" Thatcher – Why? The Entire Soviet Union was afraid of her.

mad monkey 130 Dec 2013 8:37 a.m. PST

US Prezzie. Andrew Jackson.

Sir Walter Rlyeh30 Dec 2013 8:41 a.m. PST

I nominate Idi "Big Daddy" Amin, the President of Uganda as well as the Ugandan light heavyweight boxing champion from 1951 to 1960.

CommanderCarnage30 Dec 2013 8:42 a.m. PST

Andrew Jackson

vtsaogames30 Dec 2013 8:48 a.m. PST

Jackson killed people in duels and combat. I think he's the winner.

Texas Jack30 Dec 2013 8:54 a.m. PST

Another vote for Jackson!

Thomas Whitten30 Dec 2013 9:02 a.m. PST

Teddy Roosevelt

Any other president ride a moose. ;)

picture

He was pretty snazzy as a rough rider as well.

Jakar Nilson30 Dec 2013 9:08 a.m. PST

Jean Chrétien.

With proof (no, not proof that is a proof…)
youtu.be/WvjfJ6bAi0U

Only Warlock30 Dec 2013 9:18 a.m. PST

George Washington was pretty badass. Cavalryman, conversant with Sword and Gun. A logistician and strategist. He was also a giant, by the day's standards.

henry V would be a good choice, as would Alexander of Macedon.

whitphoto Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 9:24 a.m. PST

My first thought was Teddy. But Andrew Jackson wins for sure.

Cold Steel30 Dec 2013 9:29 a.m. PST

Washington by far. From horseback, he is reported to have physically picked up and turned around fleeing soldiers on several occasions. Like Warlock said, he was a giant for his time and no stranger to combat. Andy Jackson was a fighter, but how good was he unarmed?

Pictors Studio30 Dec 2013 9:38 a.m. PST

I would have to go with Alexander too, but if we just limited it to US Presidents then I'm going with Teddy as well.

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 9:42 a.m. PST

Theodore Rex.

Space Monkey30 Dec 2013 9:49 a.m. PST

Is it limited to the person at the age/condition they were in while in office?

I'd take one of the old English kings like Henry II over any modern day folks.

Wizard Whateley30 Dec 2013 9:53 a.m. PST

Tokugawa Ieyasu. Fought in dozens of battles, many hand to hand, kenjutsu expert, swam the Edo moat in all weather at age 60.

Rdfraf Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 10:16 a.m. PST

Teddy! He actually got shot during a speech and decided to finish it before seeking medical attention!

Cerdic30 Dec 2013 10:27 a.m. PST

Richard the Lionheart. He had a reputation for being a fearsome fighter in an age when everyone of note personally wielded arms!

I would agree with Space Monkey that most medieval kings would probably flatten any modern leader without too much trouble……

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 10:43 a.m. PST

Putin

link

Personal logo ageofglory Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 10:45 a.m. PST

Lincoln. Wasn't he a vampire hunter?

:-)

Garand30 Dec 2013 10:46 a.m. PST

If we're going with medieval kings too, I'd nominate Edward III. Otherwise Richard M Nixon. Not only is Nixon's Head the President of Earth (attached to a killbot no less!) in Futurama, but he has the headless body of Spiro Agnew as his enforcer!

Damon.

Don Manser30 Dec 2013 10:53 a.m. PST

Andrew Jackson

Putin is probably pretty badass.

DM

Phil Hall30 Dec 2013 10:59 a.m. PST

Toss up between Teddy over Andy by a hairs breadth.

John the OFM30 Dec 2013 11:07 a.m. PST

Andy Jackson. I don't agree with many of his policies, but he WAS badass.

Martin Rapier30 Dec 2013 11:13 a.m. PST

Putin likes to think he is a badass.

I sure the Duke of Wellington could take all of them, how many other national leaders beat Napoleon?

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 11:15 a.m. PST

Teddy Roosevelt would be my pick, with Andrew Jackson a close second

Frederick the Grape30 Dec 2013 11:22 a.m. PST

I'd have to go with Teddy. Have you ever read the stories about some of his high adventure safaris ( especially the one in South America – I can't recall the name of the river, but it was a death defying trip )

Here it is: the River of Doubt:

link

kallman30 Dec 2013 11:25 a.m. PST

In order of American presidents:

Washington
Jackson
Polk
Grant
TR
Truman, because he called McArthur's bluff and fired him and made the hard decision to drop the A-bomb on Japan.
Kennedy, because he did a lot of long hard swimming after PT-109 went down and he personally kept one of his crew afloat with a life jacket clenched in his teeth while swimming with a bad back. After he and his crew were secured on Plum Pudding Island he swam to other islands to find food , drinking water, and help while avoiding Japanese patrols. Pretty badass if you ask me.

PapaSync30 Dec 2013 11:38 a.m. PST

I don't know about Presidents but as an almost President. Hilary Clinton is a pretty onery old gal. She would be challange for anyone. Man or Woman.

8)

Frederick the Grape30 Dec 2013 11:47 a.m. PST

Roosevelt-Rondon Expedition:

link

Sigwald30 Dec 2013 11:54 a.m. PST

Geo Washington and Andy Jackson could probably tag team any other two prez'

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 11:56 a.m. PST

Hilary? She got the "Benghazi Flu" just before she was going to called to speak about her role in that 9/11 attack didn't she? Just a coincidence I bet.

I was thinking TR but Andrew Jackson was a bad ass. I say we put them in Thunderdome and see who is the victor.

Anyone have a presidential combat simulator?

Iowa Grognard30 Dec 2013 12:19 p.m. PST

Eisenhower

Have to give a nod to Bush Sr's ww2 service…youngest naval aviator at that time.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 12:29 p.m. PST

Is it limited to the person at the age/condition they were in while in office?

I would say no. Let us evaluate them at their peak.

This would tend to bias the evaluation a lot toward pre-18th century royalty, especially those who rose to power through conflict. That said, I would have a hard time accepting Richard Lionheart as a chief executive. Most regents were more supreme judicial and legislators.

Military ones, like Richard, were often absent (living elsewhere, campaigning), only tangentially bothering with running the country. Honestly, while a great leader and warrior, the closest thing he did to exercising executive power was fund the armies for the Crusades. And that was more a bending of the state to personal desire rather than caretaking of the state.

Peter the Great, on the other hand, was almost solely interested in country. His desire and actions were directed at reshaping the country in a way he felt was in her better interest. He, however, would likely have been about average in hand to hand…

Battle Phlox30 Dec 2013 12:46 p.m. PST

Teddy Roosevelt. He fought in one war, wanted to fight in another. He was a cowboy and big game hunter. He was also a very good scholar.

Andrew Jackson was a genocidal maniac. His reputation was built on fluff. He was also censored by the U.S. Congress.

Ryan T Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 12:48 p.m. PST

I'll nominate Vlad Tepes. You lose, things get really painful. You win, you don't want to fall asleep at night.

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut30 Dec 2013 1:17 p.m. PST

George Washington

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER30 Dec 2013 1:19 p.m. PST

While not a U.S. president, i submit to you: Sam Houston President of Texas and Honorary Citizen of Nova Caledonia.

Militia Pete30 Dec 2013 2:15 p.m. PST

Polk,
Underrated and increased the size of the country.
The second would be Jefferson.
Yea, I said it.
Runners up would be Grant.
Beat Lee didn't he?
Reagan as well. Takes a real man to act with a monkey.

My favorite is Arthur as he increased the size of the navy for Teddy!

charared Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 2:29 p.m. PST

Andrew Jackson was a genocidal maniac. His reputation was built on fluff. He was also censored by the U.S. Congress.

NO disputing the "maniac" sobriquet, but Jackson's reputation was hardly built on fluff. Quick to anger, thin skinned, w/o anything other than a cane he beat a would be assassin (who fired two pistols at him point blank – both pistols misfired) into the ground. How many other "people" instead of flinching would have the presence of mind and temperament to react in an instant responding to violence
with an equally violent intent?
He carried at least one ball round from a near fatal duel in his chest for decades.
Nuts? Yep.
Genocidal? Hmmm, yep.
Tough? In a world of rawboned, short lived backwoodsmen he earned his nickname "Old Hickory".
The sort of guy you would want on your side in a fight!

TR Was a man of adventure, a kind of Gentleman sportsman rarely encountered today. Ivy League intellect combined with dynamic forcefulness.

In each case I'd want them on my side when things got tough, but in the final choice I'd go with the kick-ass backwoods lawyer/judge/soldier who allowed no slight to go physically unpunished.

Charlie

Ewan Hoosami30 Dec 2013 2:45 p.m. PST

George W Bush killed me every time I heard him talk lol

Mako1130 Dec 2013 5:06 p.m. PST

Washington.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian30 Dec 2013 6:29 p.m. PST

I'd assume that, given the stated element of "single unarmed combat", Andrew Jackson would win by means of shooting his opponent with one duelling pistol, then pointing the other pistol at anyone present who looked as if they might object to his behaviour.

whitejamest30 Dec 2013 6:31 p.m. PST

Roosevelt, Jackson, Washington, I can respect their formidable qualities of course. But what would they do – what would anyone do – having to take on the mighty Taft? All strength has its limits.

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 8:11 p.m. PST

Q: But what would they do – what would anyone do – having to take on the mighty Taft?

A: Set the White House on fire. There is some question as to whether or not the fire escape system could have supported his weight.

Sorry--couldn't resist!

Grelber

charared Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2013 9:21 p.m. PST

I'd assume that, given the stated element of "single unarmed combat", Andrew Jackson would win by means of shooting his opponent with one duelling pistol, then pointing the other pistol at anyone present who looked as if they might object to his behaviour.

Careful "Mexican Jack Squint"…

Andy might take umbrage at that!

(even the dead tremble before "Old Hickory"!)

evil grin

Charlie

A Badger31 Dec 2013 2:48 a.m. PST

Hmm. All 44 presidents? Doesn't Grover Cleveland get an unfair advantage?

My bets are on Jimmy Carter – how many other presidents personally donned CBRN PPE to avert a nuclear disaster?

Wellspring31 Dec 2013 5:43 a.m. PST

For those of you suggesting James K. Polk, keep in mind that the man was not physically strong or combat-trained. His success as an executive doesn't translate into physical toughness.

I'd say Washington, Jackson, or T. Roosevelt. I think Putin is competent as a fighter, but most of what we see is self-promotion rather than genuine personal prowess.

I'm surprised nobody has suggested US Grant or Eisenhower or GWB Sr. or JFK-- none of whom were personally badass but all of whom had excellent war records: better than professional politicians like Polk, Truman, Johnson, etc.

If this does become a poll, either limit it to US presidents or re-name it "which Head of State…" because using a term like President is very misleading.

Iowa Grognard31 Dec 2013 7:08 a.m. PST

….Eisenhower or GWB…

I did

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Dec 2013 9:30 a.m. PST

If this does become a poll, either limit it to US presidents or re-name it "which Head of State…" because using a term like President is very misleading.

I completely agree. The title was just in reaction of the Kickstarter game name. I think there is something to be said for limiting consideration to chief executives, though.

Mako1131 Dec 2013 12:34 p.m. PST

Reagan too, who won the Cold War against the communists.

"I don't know about Presidents but as an almost President. Hilary Clinton is a pretty onery old gal. She would be challange for anyone. Man or Woman".

You mean the Hillary, who likes to dodge imaginary sniper fire, and whose biggest accomplishment was racking up all those frequent flyer miles?

ROFLMAO! Best laugh I've had all year.

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