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epturner07 Dec 2013 4:32 p.m. PST

And now I make it 301 posts.

Yee and Haw!

Does we thinks we's can make it more???

Oh! And, I agree with Sparker. Armand may bring the odd rock, but he also brings some nuggets too.

So, let's stop the whinge-fest and get on with toy soldiers.

Eric

The Sentient Bean08 Dec 2013 11:20 p.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it boys!

McWong7309 Dec 2013 2:49 a.m. PST

I just laughed my ass off at the silly maths a couple of pages back, absolute classic.

John Treadaway09 Dec 2013 6:38 a.m. PST

This periodic crucifying of "Tango" gets just as tiresome as some claim his posts to be.

What did Oscar say? There's only one thing worse than being talked about and that's not being talked about…

I find some of Tango's posts annoying and some useful. Probem is I can't decide whether I find his posts (or the volume and inappropriate subject matter) as annoying as the posts about his posts…

Seriously, I've avoided saying much on this in the past because, I guess, I don't really care enough and I could (purely on the basis of misplaced hubris) cheerfully not see my stiffle quota go any higher.

It's a classic connundrum: Freedom of speech – the rights of the many outweighing the rights of the few or the one. Errr, except when they don't.

Good luck everyone!

John T

PS: it's hard (but not impossible) to take a moral high ground about inappropriate subject matter and/or images (viewing for the workplace/kids etc) on a forum that has a category heading called needs more boobies. I kinda get around that one by never opening anything in that category when I'm in the office. Or indeed while anyone else is looking. My shame is almost palpable:)

Only Warlock09 Dec 2013 9:27 a.m. PST

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Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2013 10:06 a.m. PST

I just laughed my ass off at the silly maths a couple of pages back, absolute classic.

Why thank you.

Agree it was silly – probably much nearer 0.05% of TMPers that are bothered, but it's easier to approximate with a slightly broader brush, even if it does result in the ridiculously high number of 0.47%.

Nitpicking maths point – it was one page back. But "a couple" is a pretty good approximation to one, n'est pas ?

McWong7309 Dec 2013 2:26 p.m. PST

I was catching up on this thread, with no intention of dragging the silliness out, but I got caught by your math and made the light hearted comment, didn't bother to check the actual position of the post relative to the page count.

If anything I know someone will drag out that number when this topic rears it's ugly head again, so may as well call it out now before this 0.5% or whatever number gets trotted out as fact in the future.

First I would say that only Bill would have the data to determine "what percentage of TMP'ers don't like Tango", and I personally feel he should ignore any such request.

But if you were to do such an exercise the methodology would be:
1. Determine TMP audience size
- Get all total registrations, then
- De duplicate the data set, so you only count people once. We know that there are a lot of duplicate accounts here, heck even I have an old one that predates 2008. The point is you only should count someone once and not multiple times.
- Remove all banned and locked accounts, not point counting them is there.
- Remove all "dead" accounts, i.e. memberships that haven't been used to access the site in the past six months. You can go twelve, but either way if someone hasn't used a website in that period then the chances of them coming back are slim – it does happen but not in a statistically significant way. Once you have this number it's on to step 2.


2. Now you can filter this result by activity to get a picture of the active user base. You'd need to agree to definitions from here on in, and there will be many different interpretations of what an active user is. One suggested definition would be -
- Has visited TMP at least once a week within X period, where X would be (in this instance) since Tango joined our community.

Once you filter down to this number, you'll have a pretty good idea as to the size of TMP. There are a fair few other filters that web publishers would use to get a much more accurate number, especially as you can split the numbers by "active" and "passive" memberships. If we can define active as visits at least once a week, you can see what "passive" would be.

But the main point is that there isn't 36+k members, there have been 36+k membership registrations. Very different numbers. Using your methodology is like saying that Ronald Reagan never enjoyed majority support in the USA by comparing his number of votes from an election to the entire population of the USA since 1776.

I'm certainly not saying that those who have an issue with Tango are in the majority, far from it and frankly we don't need to know, but I am saying that methodology you came up with is 100% inaccurate.

Tango0109 Dec 2013 2:44 p.m. PST

What I know my friend McWong73 is that if you had send me a direct mail, this long fight never happened.
I would answer you properly as it is my custom.
Equals, no bad feelings from my part.

Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2013 2:47 p.m. PST

Hmm.

So the ~10 people posting here who we can characterise as generally "against" may be far fewer due to sock puppets ?

So, maybe 0.005% of the unique membership ?

I'm happy to go with your analysis as it seems to be moving "negligible" to "vanishingly small"

McWong7309 Dec 2013 2:50 p.m. PST

By that same token, if you had paid heed to the previous times this whole silliness has erupted, this would never have happened. But let's move on!

McWong7309 Dec 2013 2:51 p.m. PST

What happened to the 150 count you came up with?

The Sentient Bean09 Dec 2013 3:20 p.m. PST

Armand, if you showed some restraint this thread wouldn't have been necessary.

Its not too late.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2013 3:43 p.m. PST

What happened to the 150 count you came up with?

You successfully argued it down wink

Only Warlock09 Dec 2013 7:44 p.m. PST

Omg Sentient Bean please give it a rest before I dig up another flogging a dead horse image.

McWong7309 Dec 2013 7:45 p.m. PST

…ok…if it floats your boat…

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