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Sandinista20 Nov 2013 11:22 a.m. PST

and which armies were 1st to do so?

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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse20 Nov 2013 11:28 a.m. PST

They never really were "proper" cavalry.
If you called them "horse" or "cavalry", you would have to pay them more. grin
Dragoons fell in the pay scale between lowly infantry and cavalry.

Sandinista20 Nov 2013 11:31 a.m. PST

perhaps I should say when did they cease to be used as mounted infantry?

ACWBill20 Nov 2013 12:43 p.m. PST

The US still deployed troops called Dragoons during the Mexican-American War 1846-48. However, none were to be found after 1861. Almost all cavalry was just cavalry. That said, there were several regiments of mounted rifles serving during the war such as Wilder's Lightning Brigade. Europe is a completely different story.

The Tin Dictator20 Nov 2013 1:10 p.m. PST

ACW "cavalry" routinely acted like dragoons in their tactics. Even though they weren't called dragoons. And they were decidedly different than mounted infantry in both tactics and equipment.

Toward the end of the Nap wars most dragoon regiments stopped dismounting and doing other non-cavalry-like things. Most wanted(hoped) to be considered as "proper" cavalry.

freerangeegg20 Nov 2013 1:47 p.m. PST

When did they cease to be used as mounted infantry?
In Britain , when they swapped their donkeys for tanks.

WCTFreak20 Nov 2013 2:21 p.m. PST

Yeah dragoons were not paid as good as Kürassiers. But they were used as heavy battle cavalry, and occasionly defeated Kürassiers in combat !

cae5ar20 Nov 2013 5:08 p.m. PST

The French made extensive use of dismounted dragoons at Blenheim (1704) but this went out of fashion after the War of Spanish Succession, so that by 1740s dragoons could truly be considered "horse" or cavalry in all but name.

spontoon20 Nov 2013 5:12 p.m. PST

@cae5ar;

I'd disagree. French Napoleonic dragoons were still trained and equipped to fight on foot, and frequently did. Mind, that was usually after their horse had died!

Glengarry520 Nov 2013 5:57 p.m. PST

French Napoleonic dragoons seemed to have been the exception to the rule that by that time dragoons were simply heavy cavalry. American dragoons of the war of 1812 weren't even issued carbines. For the British the concept of infantry on horseback had to be reinvented in the small colonial wars of the 19th centaury as "mounted infantry".

Chokidar21 Nov 2013 3:04 a.m. PST

the French fielded a brigade of dismounted dragoons in the line at Hastenbeck 1757..

abdul666lw21 Nov 2013 5:14 a.m. PST

Maybe in some countries 'dragoons' were 'cheap' cavalry from the start -less stringent requirements regarding the quality and size of men and horses, no 'noble' tradition &c… The British Dragoon Guards were 'Horse' given another name to save on expenditures

Yet in most countries dragoons appeared indeed as mounted infantry (musket intermediate between the infantry pattern and the cavalry carbine, bayonet, buckled or laced bottines instead of heavy cavalry boots, drums instead of trumpets, guidon instead of standard, grenadiers companies…). And, as happens generally with mounted infantry, progressively turned to cavalry.
The process was progressive, and because of the weight of tradition some 'mounted infantry' features such as drums were kept for some time after they had turn to 'medium' cavalry.
The process started at different times and progressed at a different rate according to country. A suggestive evidence in every individual case is the date of *substitution of the bottines with 'true' cavalry boots* (of course the actual changing of function having happened sometimes before this official acknowledgement of the new role). IIRC it happened at a far earlier date in Prussia than in France, for instance.

In France dragons were still supposed to act as mounted infantry (and army pioneers) at the end of the SYW. And later, while treated as 'battle' cavalry (heavy boots, trumpets, rectangular flag) they were always the first to be dismounted -for lack of horses, or were they were supposed to get them later (planned landing in England from Boulogne) or whatever reason. In 1939 the mechanized infantrymen of French 'cavalry' armored divisions (DLM) were Dragons portés while in the 'infantry' armored divisions (DCR) they were Chasseurs portés (belonging to the Chasseurs ŕ pied).

vtsaogames21 Nov 2013 8:00 a.m. PST

French used dismounted dragoons at Blenheim mainly because they had just suffered a glanders epidemic. Many horses had died.

Daniel S21 Nov 2013 3:01 p.m. PST

The Swedish dragoons of the GNW went to war equipped with the same boots as the cavalry, the diffrences in equipment was that the dragoons never had the buff coat or breastplate of the cavalry and the dragoons were armed with a standard infantry musket rather than the wheellock or flintlock carbine of the cavalry.

On the battlefield the dragoons used the same tactics as the cavalry while at least the pre-war cavalry units had training in dismounted service if the need arose during the "small war".

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