"This puts him in a new light" Topic

Well the written word is always open to misinterpretation.

For example I could look at "No-one is martyring anyone, but a bit of honesty and common sense wouldn't go amiss at the moment."

…and take that to mean that you are accusing me of lacking honesty and common sense.

Fortunately I know that you did not mean it in that way.

Perhaps Gazzola needed to use more precise language in his posts then. Where Flecktern was very precise, Gazzolas' posts are open to interpretation.

Bob

EDIT: using an Android keyboard and making far too many typos. Hate the demmed things. Usernames seem the hardest to correct as they are not "dictionary" words so apologies to anyone offended by such.

The great thing about TMP and particularly the Nap Board is that at some point it always degenerates into this

YouTube link

As regards "who started it", I'd say that Brech's early posts could be read as a tad antagonistic as could G's first post. I've read page 1-3. It's a shame that others then reply in the way that they did, but then giving out constant similar posts over a few threads would tend to get such a reaction I think.
Perhaps we could all (or at least some), think about what we type before we post it, may cause less falling out. On the other hand, sometimes its just humour …..

Things went bad from page 1.

As to the band of brothers, yes I'm sure Un Ami, Hollins, Seroga and several others could all testify to that…

Peeler: Exactly.

Bob

Peeler,
not really, unless you are really really looking for something that's not really there. But Flecks posts (the specific ones I mentioned) are not in any way vague or ambiguous).
Can't disagree with the second half of your post though.

Peeler,

I think that you are correct about humour; it does not always come through or be understood well. My comment about Gazzola and the blow up Napoleon dolls was supposed to be amusing and light hearted but, unfortunately, it seems to have been taken the wrong way.

The internet is not a good means of transmitting humour, and my sense of humour comes from being around soldiers for virually all of my life and, fairly recently, in a combat situation. It may not have the same nuances as others.

I have never set out to attack or goad anyone; however, I have decided to rein in my humour and to remember that I am among people who may have rather more sensitive egos and more delicate sensibilities than I am used to. Yes, I can come across as very forthright and somewhat aggressive and maybe even a complete bastard sometimes; after all, I am a panzergrenadier officer.

I am going to give some hard consideration to no longer posting on TMP; perhaps it is not the place for me.

Jurgen

Jurgen,

That would be a great loss.

There is not enough humor around here as it is : (

Bob

@TW:

No.

The first time someone negatively addressed another poster was Kevin, who wrote:

And if you're going to make such pejorative statements as 'much of the population of France were de-humanized and unured to mindless murder' you at least should attempt to support it, which you have not done.

Your posting is full of sweeping, inaccurate statements which have little or no basis in historic fact.

Sam and Jurgen posted in response to this.

And Gazzola's first posting was this:

Wow! I did not realise that this silly thread would continue, considering the pathetic source. The Daily Mail really got the silly Nap haters going, didn't they! Perhaps they believe in the idea of not letting the truth get in the way of a good story?

And how some sad people love to connect Hitler with Napoleon. Unbelievable. About the only REAL connection is that Hitler was not German and Napoleon was not French, but both managed to become leaders of Germany and France. Then again, look at our lovely Royal family – they could be considered as a bunch of foreigners, especially during the Napoleonic period…

And unless I've missed it, no-one addressed anything to Gazzola before this post.

Those are the facts, if we really must do this.

Regards

As far as I am concerned something isn't very kosher about all this civility and honour, because somebody, somewhere isn't flying very straight.

Two people were put in the dawghouse and one account was locked on this thread and that has happened because somebody complained. This isn't a rude forum with effing and blinding on it, it merely involves comparatively harmless banter over Napoleonic history.

I have nobody stifled and can't recall ever reporting anyone to the editor, but very clearly that is not the case with others.

It may well be that nameless TMP members randomly push buttons, but that would seem unlikely.

A small child with a pair of toy binoculars could tell when a thread like this is starting to develop, so it makes me wonder whether this is all a case of people with genuine sensitivities not taking cover early enough or some people waiting around to press a button when the time is right.

Colonel,

It is also possible that Mr Armintrout monitors this board as it is a known source of problems. I have no idea if he does so or not, but it would seem to be a sensible thing to do.

Jurgen

Flecktarn he may well do, but I doubt it. If he does he can correct me.

As regards you by the way, I for one have no problem whatsoever with your posts and would advise you to carry on as usual.

I feel a speech coming on, but it contains strong language so should not be opened by anyone if easily offended:

YouTube link

I would hope that no one complained – if you get into this sort of thread posting, then you have to have a bit of give & take & allowance for mickey taking & 'mild' abuse – and either go with it or leave it. Or stifle whoever is upsetting you &/or ignore them. It is only a computer screen after all.
Jurgen, I don't think you need even consider not posting here, there's no need to. Opinions, facts, humor, are all part of the entertainment of a forum. I wouldn't want even those who I vehemently disagreed with to stop posting.

(TW) .. and I have been eating bananas lately :)

@ Flecktarn,

Don't you dare let the ninnys drive you away – gentlemen always recognise gentlemen, the other arselochs aren't worth the trouble.

Your posts are always good value, and with your distinguished Napoleonic era ancestry you add a great deal of tone to these threads – one might almost think you were a cavalry officer! (Or a naval officer!) :-)

I am told, when I enquired as to reason for my having been such, that being "Dawghoused" is only on the basis of a complaint having been made.

Whirlwind you are impossible, now you are resorting to scraping the bottom of the barrel. You are talking nonsense, not facts.
How on earth is Kevins statement a bad one? If it helps try replacing the word France with Britain, the statement then becomes;

And if you're going to make such pejorative statements as 'much of the population of Britain were de-humanized and unured to mindless murder' you at least should attempt to support it, which you have not done.
Your posting is full of sweeping, inaccurate statements which have little or no basis in historic fact.

If that is the worst you can find, you really have no case. How is that a wrong thing to say in response to Mal Sabreurs silly posts? Why is it wrong to ask to ask for someone to support such a sweeping and rather inflammatory generalisation? Read the 1st page again, everyone was in general agreement until Mal's irrational posts, Kevin made a rational response, yet Flectktarn and Spreewalden decided to use the opportunity to attack him for it. It's quite pathetic really.

I'm sure we can round the houses a million more times on this incredibly boring issue, I am not sure how useful it is to discuss matters of bias with extremely blind people. I am still flabbergasted that you can't count well enough to see what is the biggest party on TMP, the boney-bashers or the boney-lovers.

Flecktarn,
Comedy is in the timing. I happen to think that your blow up doll was a potentially very funny joke, you just timed it wrong. Seems pretty crazy to me to state that you are going to try to get on with someone and then attack them without provocation.

No need to leave, as it sounds like your attempts to flame-up the Napoleonic threads or go way off topic are appreciated by the neanderthals.
Your attempts to sound hurt to not become you, and your not going to get much sympathy from anyone who has properly followed the last threads that you have been involved in. 270 stifles since June this year, hmmm.

Chouan,

That is interesting; I suppose that it is hardly surprising that Mr Armintrout and his new assistant editors cannot proactively police such a huge site.

Unfortunately, it seems that TelesticWarrior just cannot let things rest and needs to keep getting in his little digs at people. I did have him on stifle for a few hours but took him off again as I do dislike having people on stifle, even the unpleasant and obnoxious ones.

Jurgen

You see Flecktarn, that is maybe where the language barrier comes in. Some people might think that a generalised swipe about Neanderthals is less offensive than referring to people as unpleasant and obnoxious and talking about stifling them.

I think there is room for humour on TMP as long as you warn in advance that the clip is potentially rude and should not be opened by those who might be easily offended. Which it is.

YouTube link

Colonel,

I was referring to these comments:

"You are talking nonsense, not facts"

"…yet Flectktarn and Spreewalden decided to use the opportunity to attack him for it. It's quite pathetic really."

"…I am not sure how useful it is to discuss matters of bias with extremely blind people"

"I am still flabbergasted that you can't count well enough to see what is the biggest party on TMP…"

"…your attempts to flame-up the Napoleonic threads or go way off topic…"

"Your attempts to sound hurt to not become you…"

"270 stifles since June this year, hmmm"

That is quite a considerable number of attacks in just two posts from someone who complains about other people attacking.

Jurgen

I take your point but personally I would regard it as water off a duck's back.

I was quite ready to quit this ridiculous & pointless thread, WW brought me back into it.

As for your last post Fleck, I would say you are correct, but the time for politeness on this particular thread seems to have passed us by quite a long time ago, doesn't it? Whose fault was that, hmmm?

As for the neanderthals thing or the boney-bashers thing, it really is quite general and not to be taken to heart unless you have reason too.
Its like someone shouting "thief!" into a crowd of people. Do you run? No, because you haven't stolen anything. Likewise I don't get wound up if someone uses a general phrase vaguely directed at me. Seems to me as if the ones who get wound up by the phrase Nap hater or Boney basher are the ones who are actually guilty of it.

TelesticWarrior,

Nobody brought you back into it; you have freewill and are capable of making your own choices and you decided to come back into it. Do not blame others for your own decisions.

As to the phrases "Nap Hater" or "Boney Basher", the problem with them occurs when they are used in a pejorative way to describe anyone who does not share an attitude of worship and adoration towards Napoleon, which is exactly how you and Gazzola use them in what could be seen as attempts to start flame wars.

Jurgen

Like I said before, as soon as people stop addressing nonsense to me personally, the sooner I'll decide not to reply.

Colonel, what the hell was that which I just watched!? So funny!

TelesticWarrior, there are all sorts of people on TMP. Some with military rank, like myself, though long retired. Some with a clatter of letters after their name, like myself, but of little consequence, and some who will take the correct sort of inspiration from my Team America speech and Jungle Burger clips.

I do give a warning about any clips that contain adult content to avoid blushes on the part of those that might be easily offended.

I suppose one has to gear the humour to the seriousness of the situation.

I doubt that I'll please everyone, but don't think that there is any button pushing that can be done.

Enjoyed the jungle burger interjection Colonel.

Such interludes are refreshing when things get heated in here.

The type of ammunition used by those soldiers was just…. disturbing. Very much the type of humour that I like though. I'm surprised that I have never heard of jungle burger before, but I have some friends who I think will be very interested in this new discovery.

As for the Team America speech, I think I speak for many when I say its right up there with the greatest speeches in World History.

How is Buonaparte these days?

Still dead.

I heard he is recovering from deadness, but the fellah who told me did not back up his assertion with source material.

I heard that it was a poisoned jungle burger that got him.

The source was however, straight from David Icke's forums.

I'd say that Napoleon's immortality was assured before any of us were born and his place as one of the greatest military commanders in history will be unaffected by any of our passing when the time comes.

But he is most definitely dead.

Bob,

Whatever those sources may be, I refute them as Col Elting says that Napoleon never died but lives in the hearts of all true believers in the sacred hat.

Jurgen

No TW:

Kevin wrote:

Your posting is full of sweeping, inaccurate statements which have little or no basis in historic fact.

Sam wrote:

Looks like Kevin's made another new friend.

You have decided that the first is a polite, rational post and the second is an uncalled for, ad hominem, below-the-belt attack.

Each to their own of course, but really ?

…everyone was in general agreement until Mal's irrational posts, Kevin made a rational response…

Here you just mean 'irrational' as 'I disagreed with' and 'rational' as a 'I agreed with'.

I am not sure how useful it is to discuss matters of bias with extremely blind people. I am still flabbergasted that you can't count well enough to see what is the biggest party on TMP, the boney-bashers or the boney-lovers.

I'll ignore the feeble ad hominem attacks. I don't agree that there are many "Boney-bashers" here, as far as I can tell most of the posters here admire him greatly as a general and somewhat as an administrator. What I do see are a couple of Bonapartist-ultras who take exception to anything that strikes them as criticism of their hero or the French in general, however mild, and willing to resort to fairly terrible arguments to defend him in all circumstances.

However, I'll re-state again, as far as I can tell Kevin and Jurgen have pretty much the same opinion on this issue and it still descends into acrimony, I guess that is what is sad, that people can literally argue over pretty much nothing.

Whirlwind,

I take exception to the use of the phrase "No TW" in the first line of your post. When I learned English in the study of the greatest English teacher ever, we were taught that there should be a comma between the "No" and the "TW", because the comma is the supreme punctuation mark.

If you disagree with me, you are irrational and also silly; I may also consider you a comma-basher.

Jurgen

Ha! You are right, of course. I shall leave my post un-edited, so posterity can note your wisdom…

Sometimes there is a considerable amount of bias on these boards, it's good fun as it renders the opinions expressed as next to worthless, and is to be encouraged for the benefit of the casual reader like myself.

The humour of the bias is exponentially increased by the apparent knowledge level of the individual exhibiting it. Sort of the smarter they think they are the funnier the opinion.

All of this is occasionally compounded with lengthy he said she said sessions.

At other times it is a very good place to find things out.

My source for these findings is common sense and my time on the planet.

Colonel TA you have nailed it on the very head Sir, the very head!

Bob

Colonel,

Please provide page numbers in common sense and your time on the planet; how else do you expect us to take your arguments seriously? Anyway, both of those sources were discredited by Col Elting, who showed that they were not your common sense or your time on the planet, but were actually those of Bourbon lackeys.

Ah, this wine is good; so much better than that German rubbish:).

Jurgen

Which wine is it? A former colleague of mine gave me an excellent bottle of German wine as my leaving present, red wine, unusually, to me. From her home state of Baden as far as I remember. It was excellent, but apparently unobtainable in Britain.

Chouan,

Was it Spätburgunder? That is the great Baden red wine, although it is really just what the rest of the world calls Pinot Noir:). You can buy it in the UK from these people: petersfieldwines.co.uk/. The Spätburgunder Weißherbst is also quite splendid, if you like pink wine.

Most Baden wines are not exported very much as Badeners tend to drink them themselves; they have the highest consumption rate of wine in Germany.

We are just drinking a rather pleasant Chablis; it is very crisp and dry, just as a good Chablis should be:). However, I am not sure what effect it is having on my girlfriend's homework:).

Jurgen

Personally I think the single malt is the best for the rigours of TMP.

I've quoted Burns before, but it always seems to fall on deaf ears.

"O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!"

Wouldn't claim to know enough to be critical of Col Elting, but I have a very nice set of four uniform books by him with pictures by Knotel dj.

Maybe the "giftie gie" bit is throwing some hounds off the sent Colonel? :)

While we are on the subject, my favorite TMP beverage is coffee…which indeed suits me most of the time.

My favorite wines are Sangria and Gevuartztraminer. Not very posh of me I know :(

My Dad's a big fan of single malts, but I partake infrequently preferring gin and tonic when its hot and…coffee when it isn't

Colonel,

I assume that quote was in some form of English?

I do not like whisky (or whiskey), but am partial to good coffee, apfelkorn and good wine, but not all at the same time. I am developing a taste for Chinese tea, especially Jasmine tea, which would probably come as a shock to my colleagues. The tea in Afghanistan was very good as well; in fact, it was probably the best thing about the country.

Jurgen

The quote is in Scottish Flecktarn, it reads:

"O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us
An' ev'n Devotion"

I am an Ulster-Scot so I can understand it easy enough.

It is a harmless ditty but methinks it could, at times, be borne in mind on TMP.

I think, as always, it has to do with an individual's sense of humour.

A rough transaltion would be :

"Oh, that God would give us the very smallest of gifts
To be able to see ourselves as others see us
It would save us from many mistakes
and foolish thoughts
We would change the way we look and gesture
and to how and what we apply our time and attention."

Colonel,

Wise words; I will take them to my heart:).

Jurgen

"Was it Spätburgunder? That is the great Baden red wine, although it is really just what the rest of the world calls Pinot Noir:). You can buy it in the UK from these people: petersfieldwines.co.uk/. "

It was indeed. I'll check the link later, I'm at work at the moment, a free period (although we're not allowed to call them that anymore, they're called "planning time" now), and the school filter won't let me in, because the site is related to alcohol.

Well, my preference would be G&T before dinner (preferably Tanqueray and Fever Tree, with a slice of lime, chilled but no ice) then a pleasant red with dinner, or something sparkling, then an Armagnac or two afterwards with coffee.

Whirlwind,
Yes, like I said before, you really have no case.

TW,

Seems to me the horse is dead, yet it keeps getting beaten.

B