| Stenetoppen | 29 Oct 2013 1:12 p.m. PST |
to paraphrase King Arthur:
"on second thought let's not go to the Napoleon Discussion Board on TMP; it is a silly place" |
| M C MonkeyDew | 29 Oct 2013 3:33 p.m. PST |
Splendid news Jurgen…aside from the lack of bananas. Congratulations! Back on the original topic it would seem that Rippe's "incidents" can indeed be sourced but his conclusions are dubious. N. is quite the enigma. Promulgates the Napoleonic code on the one hand while re-instituting slavery in Haiti on the other. A bit of a Fanny Doodle. (reference to a nonsensical children's rhyme). No wonder opinions on N. are so divided. |
| Peeler | 29 Oct 2013 4:37 p.m. PST |
Enigma is a good term I think & probably applies to a lot of major historical figures. "Ohhh, Flecktarn he had no bananas, diddlee dee,
He had nooo bananas for his tea, dum dum dum,
No, he had no bananas, ta ta ta,
Not a single bananaaaah to be seen dumeley dum dum." |
| Gazzola | 29 Oct 2013 5:11 p.m. PST |
Some interesting info on slavery and history of Haiti here where it mentions the British also reinstated slavery and that Toussaint when governing, relied on 'forced labour', which is basically slavery- link Also some interesting points concerning the slavery timeline here-it states that Britain did not abolish slave trading until 1807 and slavery was not abolished in British colonies until 1834. link |
| Gazzola | 29 Oct 2013 6:09 p.m. PST |
It is often forgotten that before the Siege of Jaffa took place, the two emissaries sent to request the defenders surrender, were beheaded and their heads placed on spikes in full of view of the besieging French troops. The murder is mentioned in the memoirs of Captain Joseph-Marie Moiret of the 75th Demi-Brigade, page 81 and on the first page of the article (free online) It Still Makes Me Shudder by Philip Dwyer. |
| Gazzola | 29 Oct 2013 6:22 p.m. PST |
I know the Postman Pat link provided by Chouan was very simple, crude and totally amateurish, which is why it attracted certain members, but I never thought it would have such a sad effect on poor old Peeler. |
| Peeler | 29 Oct 2013 7:25 p.m. PST |
I'm not poor, and I'm not that old either you cheeky fellow! |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 2:20 a.m. PST |
Bob, It does seem that Rippe over interpreted the facts and added a large dose of wishful thinking in arriving at his causal links between the French actions in Haiti and Hitler's activities. Jurgen |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 2:26 a.m. PST |
Peeler, Indeed, there were no bananas, which was very sad. However, we bought some last night, so we now have a plentiful supply. Are not most people enigmas? By the way, friend Gazzola is shown as having his account locked while Mal and Chouan are living with the hounds. Jurgen |
| TelesticWarrior | 30 Oct 2013 2:59 a.m. PST |
Flecktarn, I didn't *deliberately* misinterpret you, nor do I even believe that I even misinterpreted you *at all*. Look at what you said, and bear in mind that it is the nature of an internet discussion for confusion to be king.
But I don't really care to discuss this subject either, YOU brought it up. Now lets have nothing more said about it, because this is a Napoleonic forum and there are much more relevant things to talk about such as Bananas and Adolf Hitler and Hartlepool. |
| TelesticWarrior | 30 Oct 2013 3:05 a.m. PST |
Yes, Chouan is in the Dawghouse. So is Mal Sabreur after his ridiculous off-the mark rant.
Gazzola has a locked account. What does that mean? |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 3:19 a.m. PST |
TelesticWarrior, Perhaps the nature of the written word in an internet forum, combined with my sometimes stilted English, led to a poor communication. I found the following in the FAQs: Can someone lose their posting privileges at TMP?
Yes. It's called having your account Locked. And then what happens?
It means you can't post to the forums any more. How do I avoid getting Locked?
Just behave yourself. Accounts usually get Locked when someone breaking the forum rules flagrantly or repeatedly, or spamming. Can my account get Locked if I disagree with you?
Not as long as you're civil about it. What if I tell malicious lies about you?
That might qualify… What if I don't like the way you moderate the site, and I keep bringing the issue up over and over again?
In a few exceptional cases, I have Locked the accounts of people who were persistent moaners or complainers. Constructive criticism is one thing, but continued whining just gets annoying. What if I compare you to Hitler?
Just be nice, OK? But as the sign in the diner says, "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Jurgen |
| Peeler | 30 Oct 2013 4:24 a.m. PST |
Oh dear! How long does the doghouse last for? And how long is an account locked for? |
| GeneralRetreat | 30 Oct 2013 4:34 a.m. PST |
peeler : check out the forum rules for more info on dawghouse and locked accounts "For more information, see the TMP FAQ." at the top left of every page |
| von Winterfeldt | 30 Oct 2013 5:31 a.m. PST |
a locked account usually means you are not allowed to post anything anylonger on the forum, you can be however still be an avid reader. There is a Dawghouse link at the HP you can find out more about it. |
| Brechtel198 | 30 Oct 2013 5:47 a.m. PST |
Wow. I would suggest that the term 'Band of Brothers' doesn't exist here. B |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 5:52 a.m. PST |
Peeler, Mal is in for 11 days and Chouan 3. I suspect that being locked is permanent. Jurgen |
| Mac1638 | 30 Oct 2013 7:11 a.m. PST |
My I quote Voltaire(1694-1778) "To hold a pen is to be at war" "Opinion have caused more ills than plague or earthquakes on this globe of ours" "Men will always be Mad, and those who think they can cure them are the maddest of all" "Love truth, but pardon error" "The secret of being a bore is to tell everythink" |
| TelesticWarrior | 30 Oct 2013 7:46 a.m. PST |
It doesn't actually say that a Locked account is permanent but I'm guessing that it is. Is an account associated with a person or simply with a user-name? I ask this because if is the latter case then presumably Gazzola or anyone else could create a new account?
If not, I put forward a motion that Gazzola's account be unblocked (perhaps after a cooling off period) for the following reasons;
- It is not clear that Gazzola was given a final warning before his account was terminated.
- It is obvious that he was deliberately baited by certain people, on this thread & another.
- banning the most interesting members of TMP would seem to be counter-productive. Lets face it, John adds to the humour & near-legendary reputation of TMP Nap boards.
- The Napoleonic discussion boards will just become insipid affairs without necessary counter-points to the established Anglo-centric collective. |
| TelesticWarrior | 30 Oct 2013 7:48 a.m. PST |
I would suggest that the term 'Band of Brothers' doesn't exist here. Indeed. Kevin, perhaps Gazzola was right and this place is primarily populated by Neanderthals after all. TMP is starting to feel like this; YouTube link |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 8:04 a.m. PST |
TelesticWarrior, A further quote from the FAQs: "Is there anything worse than being Locked?
Well, there's blocking. What's that?
That's when your IP address is blocked, so that you can't access certain parts of TMP (such as the forums and news articles.) Why would someone get blocked?
Usually because they repeatedly open new membership accounts and abuse the website in some way." Based on that, I guess that Gazzola returning with a new account would not be well received by the management. With regard to your motion, Gazzola brought this on himself by his own actions. In response to your points in support of your motion: Point 1:
We do not know what warnings were or were not given to Gazzola.
There is nothing in the rules that says a warning has to be given; this is Mr Armintrout's site and he can do whatever he wants. Point 2:
That is your opinion, not fact. Even if it was fact, Gazzola went way beyond the boundaries, as he has so many times. Point 3:
Gazzola is only interesting in the way that a car crash is. He brings very little other than bias and ranting. Point 4:
The Anglo-centric nature of these boards is something that exists only in your imagination and that of one or two others. Not regarding Napoleon as a paragon of virtue is not the same as being Anglo-centric. In my opinion, the boards would be a better place without Gazzola's rants, his inability to control himself, and his rudeness. I am sure that you will not agree. I would also note that repeated comments about members of the boards being Neanderthals are not exactly helpful in creating a reasonable environment here. Again, you may well not agree. Jurgen |
| TelesticWarrior | 30 Oct 2013 8:58 a.m. PST |
Point 1:
Of course. Point 2:
It is an opinion backed up with evidence, for anyone who has the eyes to see. You and Gazzola both spent a full 30 days in the Dawghouse together, and ever since then you have been trying to wind him up in every thread where there was opportunity. You might support the actions taken against Gazzola but you should remember that if the rules of the forum are even-handed then given your record you will probably be next to go, so be careful what you wish for when you say the forum would be better off without certain people . Point 3:
That is a rather ignorant comment based on your lack of time spent on the forum. Gazz has contributed a great deal to painting, wargaming and re-enactment threads, you are just going by the Napoleonic history threads, and even then you have a very skewed and narrow-minded version of what "contribution" means. Point 4:
Sure it is. TMP is an English speaking forum and there are scores of British ex-military service here, nothing wrong with that of course, unless it passes into overt positive bias towards all things Britannia, which unfortunately it often does. How many equivalent French guys do you get around here? I can think only of Armand off the top of my head.
On top of this you have the non-Brits who form part of the collective too, often rabidly, such as Von W. I am only using the phrase anglo-centric for convenience, I could also use the word "Boney-basher", but you don't like me saying that. You guys really need to do the math. You lot keep saying its Gazz, Brechtel & myself, Ok that makes 3 (now 2). Do you really require me to list the chaps who consistently sit on the other side? Because I can guarantee it will be a lot more than 2 or 3.
Your second sentence is another strawman. I have never said Napoleon is a paragon of virtue, I am simply adding counter-balance to the collective instinct. |
| M C MonkeyDew | 30 Oct 2013 9:02 a.m. PST |
Ws going to comment on recent events but Jurgen summed it up so much more neatly than I could have managed. Vielen Dank Jugen. Bob |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 9:14 a.m. PST |
TelesticWarrior, Rather than pointing out the errors, inconsistencies, assumptions and presumtions in your post, I am going to ignore it as, otherwise, this will just run and run. I suggest that we leave that particular discussion alone and move on. Jurgen |
| Flecktarn | 30 Oct 2013 9:20 a.m. PST |
Bob, It is my pleasure:). Full dress uniform tonight for a reception with the British army; I will try to spend some of the time chatting with any French colleagues who might be there about Napoleon. Jurgen |
| ColonelToffeeApple | 30 Oct 2013 9:25 a.m. PST |
Well I have watched this entire thread as an innocent bystander and with two in the dawghouse and one account locked the "love" positively radiated off the thread. I don't think I have the same sensibilities as some people on TMP as I found the entire thing amusing and hardly anything to get excited about. After all we are, by and large, all grown ups. |
| Edwulf | 30 Oct 2013 9:28 a.m. PST |
Armand? Tango? He's Argentinian isn't he. Funny. I've always thought the Napoleonics boards were knee deep in Anglo-phobes.. Their ranks have thinned over the years. As for Gazzola, how do we know he didn't request it locked himself? Others have done that before. Maybe now you'll find you can argue your cause with those opposed to you in a civilised manner without people being called idiots, cave men, clowns, loser ect which was the standard Gazzola defense. |
| Brechtel198 | 30 Oct 2013 9:38 a.m. PST |
TW, You are absolutely correct. No one has ever said that Napoleon was a 'paragon of virtue.' That accusation has been used as a strawman argument more than once when arguments have been lost and accusations must then be thrown, usually inaccurate or fabricated ones. B |
| TelesticWarrior | 30 Oct 2013 9:45 a.m. PST |
I suggest that we leave that particular discussion alone and move on. Fair enough.
I don't think I have the same sensibilities as some people on TMP as I found the entire thing amusing and hardly anything to get excited about. After all we are, by and large, all grown ups. Exactly, people should stop being so thin-skinned and man up a bit. All this stifling and blocking over something so small is rather pathetic. Armand? Tango?
He's Argentinian isn't he. I stand corrected. Sorry Armand. Doesn't at all change my bigger point though. As for Gazzola, how do we know he didn't request it locked himself? What a strange comment. John expressed his opinion a while back that it would be no great loss if he had to leave the forum, but I can see no reason at all why he would request it. Not his style. |
| SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER | 30 Oct 2013 10:13 a.m. PST |
The Article sounds like poop in the pipes to me. |
| Peeler | 30 Oct 2013 12:20 p.m. PST |
Well. Perhaps we should all learn a lesson here, to be nice to each other & just get along without unpleasantness. Come on, group hug :) |
| von Winterfeldt | 30 Oct 2013 2:23 p.m. PST |
Flecktarn I pity you – in your Bundeswehr grey against the splendid full dress uniforms of the British Army – at least they were splendid in my days, 30 years ago, when in the officers mess I could recognize Royal Horse Artillery, Light Dragoons and so on.
I hope you had some good port (or is this only good old Royal Navy tradition, when it has to be pushed over the table.
I always had a tutor at my side without whose advise I would have violated a lot of mess rules. |
| Edwulf | 30 Oct 2013 3:52 p.m. PST |
Hardly strange. Dave Hollins asked for his account to be locked when he quit. So did Shane Devries.
It may have been his choice… None of us can say unless an editor sheds some light on the matter. It is possible he has been banned, his general way of speaking to people who disagreed with him was possibly the worst I've seen with the exception of Mad Hoffie and that bloke who sold Empire.. I've forgot his name. Both banned I long time ago. |
| Bandit | 30 Oct 2013 9:41 p.m. PST |
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| Maxshadow | 31 Oct 2013 1:57 a.m. PST |
Ach we've lost some good contributors over the years. Shane and Dave among them. (Hoffie on the other hand shouldn't be allowed out with out a leash.) |
| Flecktarn | 31 Oct 2013 10:18 a.m. PST |
I agree with TelesticWarrior on this; I cannot imagine Gazzola asking to have his account locked. Jurgen |
| Flecktarn | 31 Oct 2013 10:22 a.m. PST |
von Winterfeldt, Thankfully, it was not a sit down event, just a stand around with a little plate and a glass event. The British were all in brown but a couple of them were wearing the most magnificent riding boots and jodhpurs. I spent part of the evening discussing Napoleon's options after arriving in Moscow with some French and Russian officers; quite interesting. Jurgen |
 Editor in Chief Bill   | 31 Oct 2013 5:46 p.m. PST |
As for Gazzola, how do we know he didn't request it locked himself? Others have done that before. Someone who may or may not be Gazzola writes: It would be good of you if you could inform the concerned members and those who have shown support, in the Napoleonic discussion thread 'this puts him in a new light', that it was your idea to lockout my account, since some are making the silly suggestion that I might have I requested it. It would be nice if they knew the truth. |
| Edwulf | 31 Oct 2013 5:49 p.m. PST |
Lol. Well that sounded like him. Guess that puts it to bed then. |
| TelesticWarrior | 01 Nov 2013 3:55 a.m. PST |
Exactly, it was a ridiculous suggestion anyway. Flecktarn, thanks for your agreement on this matter at least. You other guys can't state on the one hand that Gazzola is argumentative & likes to have the last word, yet on the other hand suggest that Gazz voluntarily left in IN THE MIDDLE of an argument and asked to have his account locked. Its totally contradictory. Perhaps we should have the integrity to let Gazzola have the last word on this?
Gazz, very happy war-gaming to you for the future. Take care Buddy. |
| ColonelToffeeApple | 01 Nov 2013 7:21 a.m. PST |
Well I for one would appreciate knowing why he had his account locked. If someone is sent to the dawghouse the reasons for it are put on public display. It would seem that having an account locked is even more serious so surely it would be helpful if the reasons for it were known. |
| Stavka | 01 Nov 2013 7:25 p.m. PST |
Gazzola's been DH'd for his behaviour on this board with almost monotonous regularity over the last year or so. It may well be that the Editor thought enough was enough. I doubt in fact that he would have survived nearly so long on most other fora. Moderators have better things to do than having to waste their time with recalcitrant repeat offenders. |
| Chouan | 02 Nov 2013 4:05 a.m. PST |
Flecktarn, just an enquiry really, but based on a conversation I had earlier this week with the new partner of a very old friend of my wife's. He had been a Green Howard for 12 years; he explained that it was Middlesbrough's regiment. Long, long ago, when I was still at school, I wanted to go to Sandhurst, and, being from Hartlepool, in County Durham, I would have ultimately, on passing out, have joined the Light Infantry, the parent regiment of what had been the Durham Light Infantry, I even spent a week as a guest of the Mess at the Light Infantry Depot at Shrewsbury. However, to return to my question, from which I have digressed, does the Bundeswehr have regional regiments, as it were? |
| Chouan | 02 Nov 2013 4:05 a.m. PST |
Flecktarn, just an enquiry really, but based on a conversation I had earlier this week with the new partner of a very old friend of my wife's. He had been a Green Howard for 12 years; he explained that it was Middlesbrough's regiment. Long, long ago, when I was still at school, I wanted to go to Sandhurst, and, being from Hartlepool, in County Durham, I would have ultimately, on passing out, have joined the Light Infantry, the parent regiment of what had been the Durham Light Infantry, I even spent a week as a guest of the Mess at the Light Infantry Depot at Shrewsbury. However, to return to my question, from which I have digressed, does the Bundeswehr have regional regiments, as it were? |
| Chouan | 02 Nov 2013 4:05 a.m. PST |
Flecktarn, just an enquiry really, but based on a conversation I had earlier this week with the new partner of a very old friend of my wife's. He had been a Green Howard for 12 years; he explained that it was Middlesbrough's regiment. Long, long ago, when I was still at school, I wanted to go to Sandhurst, and, being from Hartlepool, in County Durham, I would have ultimately, on passing out, have joined the Light Infantry, the parent regiment of what had been the Durham Light Infantry, I even spent a week as a guest of the Mess at the Light Infantry Depot at Shrewsbury. However, to return to my question, from which I have digressed, does the Bundeswehr have regional regiments, as it were? |
| Flecktarn | 03 Nov 2013 5:49 a.m. PST |
Regarding Gazzola, there is something of an explanation here: TMP link Jurgen |
| Flecktarn | 03 Nov 2013 6:19 a.m. PST |
Chouan, Apart from some special forces, the Bundeswehr has a battalion structure rather than a regimental one. While units have a regional link, recruitment, which is proving very difficult at the moment, is national so I guess that the answer to your question is no:). Jurgen |
| Chouan | 03 Nov 2013 7:05 a.m. PST |
sorry about the multiple postings everybody, I don't know how it happened……
Thanks Jurgen, for the explanation. Does that mean that you could join a battalion and be stuck with Prussians alongside you? An "Old Man" I sailed with was from Bremen, his particular dislike were Frieslanders, whom he referred to as "square heads". |
| Flecktarn | 03 Nov 2013 7:31 a.m. PST |
Chouan, Oh yes, that can happen; my 2iC was a Prussian:). As for Frieslanders, people from the more civilised parts of Niedersachsen (and Bremen) have issues with those from Friesland and Ostfriesland ( Wittmund, Aurich and Leer); they are seen as being unsophisticated, backwards, country oafs. It is similar to how the rest of Germany regards us Saxons:). Square head is a common derogatory term used by Germans to decribe any other Germans who live to the north of them. Jurgen |
| TelesticWarrior | 04 Nov 2013 3:29 a.m. PST |
Guys, the Editor has given his reason why he blocked Gazzola In his final tirade, he managed not only to insult all of the people he was arguing against, but also the entire membership of TMP I know he insulted some of you whom he was arguing with, but page 6 from this thread is full of 'snipped' comments, so I can't see where Gazzola "insulted the entire membership of TMP", nor can I recall that happening at the time. Can any of you remember that happening? I have my doubts. |
