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khurasanminiatures16 Sep 2013 4:42 a.m. PST

The Federal "Phalanx" gunship has since been fitted with grav drives for VTOL propulsion, but originally mounted ducted fan rotors.

We're having an optional part made to swap out the grav drives for the ducted fan rotors -- what do you all think of this size? Of course this is just a size marker and the final piece will be shaped differently and filled with the rotors.

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Trojan Points16 Sep 2013 4:55 a.m. PST

Why are you doing this to me? Wasn't too fan of the Phalanx and… Bam, ducted rotor instead of grav thingies and now I'll have to buy it!

Seriously, they seem slightly too small to me. I'd say 1,25 to 1,5 times the diameter would feel about right. Now, you can always handwave it by saying the Phalanx is much lighter than a 21st century helo, or has some grav assist hidden somewhere or something and thus only needs (relatively) small fans…

khurasanminiatures16 Sep 2013 5:10 a.m. PST

Why are you doing this to me? Wasn't too fan of the Phalanx and… Bam, ducted rotor instead of grav thingies and now I'll have to buy it!

You've just answered your own question! grin

Thanks for the input on size.

Sloppypainter16 Sep 2013 5:38 a.m. PST

I like them the size you have there. If they stick out too much or make the model awkwardly top heavy it may be a pain to use on a game table. (Falling over; getting bumped 'cause the rotors are too large, etc)

Personal logo MrHarold Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Sep 2013 5:50 a.m. PST

I agree, I like the size, maybe even a tad smaller.

I think any larger and it would start to get unwieldy as a model.

Chatticus Finch16 Sep 2013 5:51 a.m. PST

Or, if not ducted blades, maybe something like the Kaman K-MAX for the near-future look?

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khurasanminiatures16 Sep 2013 5:56 a.m. PST

It will definitely be ducted blades.

AVAMANGO16 Sep 2013 6:14 a.m. PST

Now that looks much better with the ducted rotor fans and i also agree and think 1,5 times the diameter would look about right, im also thinking about getting one now…

Earther16 Sep 2013 6:23 a.m. PST

Looks even better with rotors. I'd say the size you have them at now works for me.

War Monkey16 Sep 2013 6:42 a.m. PST

Your killing me here, my wallet's going to runaway from home!

Heinz Good Aryan16 Sep 2013 7:51 a.m. PST

a little small i think……..

SCAdian16 Sep 2013 9:41 a.m. PST

Chatticus Finch,
A good rule of thumb is to never fly in anything that can have a mid air collision with itself. ;)

Gasmasked Mook16 Sep 2013 11:25 a.m. PST

If the struts from the main body were shorter, I think the rotors would be imrpoved if they were a little bit bigger (~130%). With the struts as they are however, making them larger could make the whole thing look slightly awkward.

Totally sold by the rotor-design, by the way. I liked the grav version well enough but this has produced an entirely different level of desperate need.

Hope the casters treat it with due respect and reverance.

Dogged16 Sep 2013 11:54 a.m. PST

Another vote for bigger rotors here. As there should be some kind of connection between the arm supporting the rotor structure, you could make them double coaxial rotors…

BlackWidowPilot Fezian16 Sep 2013 12:06 p.m. PST

Oooooooh!!! Aaaaaahhh!!! Not too shabby there, Jon…evil grin

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

doug redshirt16 Sep 2013 6:04 p.m. PST

Anything that I can use as Near Future is a big plus for me. This I would buy. No interest in grav vehicles.

MrAverage16 Sep 2013 6:25 p.m. PST

I can dig this. I also dig gravship VTOLs, in their own right, so im not desperate for a conversion, really, but have jet turbines been considered? Like a jet-powered Osprey?

For example: link

--M

twogunsblazing16 Sep 2013 8:40 p.m. PST

Looks much better than the original…A slight increase in size would look a little better…perhaps x 1.25

twogunsblazing17 Sep 2013 4:39 a.m. PST

Actually, whilst you are making a mod for this, it would be cool to have the choice to remove the skids and add other types of landing gear…perhaps wheels or pads (two at the back and one at the front)…

khurasanminiatures17 Sep 2013 4:43 a.m. PST

In not redoing the model, I'm making a swappable final drive part.

zonk7617 Sep 2013 6:56 a.m. PST

I'm liking this, of course I liked the original as well :)

Thanks!

Cyclopeus17 Sep 2013 9:13 a.m. PST

I think a little bigger, just a bit.

That is a great idea, to add the rotor conversion kit. It looks awesome. I can't wait to paint mine up.

Adam name not long enough17 Sep 2013 11:49 a.m. PST

Shortening the struts would seem to make the main element of the fan directly over the weapons…wash affecting weapons and turbulence fife ting lift and stability. That said, I think the fans need to be slightly larger to make the design a little 'harder', that said the final analysis in sci fi is always based on the rule of cool….and this is!

Kealios17 Sep 2013 12:12 p.m. PST

I think it's spot on as is, but 125% increase wouldnt be too bad either. Me, I like it as is and will buy a few of them. Promise!

Lion in the Stars17 Sep 2013 5:37 p.m. PST

Even if those were counter-rotating ducted fans, I think they need to be a bit bigger. maybe 125%, though I'd like to see 125 and 150%.

I'd be more likely to buy the rotor version than the grav version, to be honest. I thought the DOE dropship was the unholy offspring of a Hind helo and a Harrier, flying through brute thrust.

daddyslittlemen17 Sep 2013 9:27 p.m. PST

Definitely a must buy for me, much more interested in near future SF and less High Tech Grav vehicles these days.

khurasanminiatures26 Sep 2013 5:02 p.m. PST

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Hazza31B26 Sep 2013 5:24 p.m. PST

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY


ALL MY MONIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Etranger26 Sep 2013 5:30 p.m. PST

Now that is nice! The twin tail fans are a really good touch.

McWong7326 Sep 2013 5:43 p.m. PST

Damn fine, I'll take three.

Gasmasked Mook26 Sep 2013 6:53 p.m. PST

Good god man! I was almost about to start thinking of waiting until I painted all my models before buying more. Well done for pushing that ridiculous idea straight out of my head

Trojan Points26 Sep 2013 10:37 p.m. PST

Holly mother of the Emperor with a side order of peanuts, another miniature I will have to buy!

Couple of thinks I'm slightly less fan of (in a "I'll buy it anyway, but would like it better if" way):
- Not too fan of the tail rotors, but I guess I can just leave them off and go for the original tail. More power to the model if other can have their thing too!
- Don't like the two spiky thingies on the front of the main rotors… Guess they're too much in the filler without apparent function realm for me! Well, again, if everybody else likes them, or if it's too late to change them, I'll just have to file themÁ

twogunsblazing26 Sep 2013 10:47 p.m. PST

I wasn't going to buy any of these…now I am. This is a 100% improvement on the original…great work and I'll buy two of these…

SpleenRippa26 Sep 2013 10:50 p.m. PST

Wow!

AVAMANGO26 Sep 2013 11:00 p.m. PST

I'll agree with Trojan Points about the 'spiky thingies on the front of the main rotors' and also just keeping the original tail rotor, i also think it is a much improved version that the first Phalanx gunship.

Mad Mecha Guy Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Sep 2013 2:00 a.m. PST

Like base design, as said above would lose the spikey bits along with the riveted panels on rotor pods. Might be worth replacing these with small chaff/flare launch pods which the side vent being replaced with puff-port similar to ones on harrier jumpjets.

Like the small rotors at rear as make the craft look more like it would balance better and give better controls.

Would suggest to change the rotors from propeller blades to a ducted fan/tubro-fan system, as this would look higher tech and less parts to assemble.

Regards

MMG.

Trojan Points27 Sep 2013 2:21 a.m. PST

Would suggest to change the rotors from propeller blades to a ducted fan/tubro-fan system, as this would look higher tech and less parts to assemble.

That's a great idea! Would allow to make the rotors thinner too: (while we're nit-picking) I love that how they're bigger (diameter) than the original concept, but they seem a bit too tick to me…

Something along those lines:

Johny Boy27 Sep 2013 4:17 a.m. PST

Agree on loosing the spikes at the front and loosing the rotor blades in favour of a complete ducted fan system, overall though, ball out of the park goodness from Khurusan, again !

Borscope27 Sep 2013 4:24 a.m. PST

This sort of thing needs to be a standard for flyers, options for grav/rotors/jet pods and ground vehicles have grav/wheeled/tracked/air cushion.

khurasanminiatures27 Sep 2013 4:39 a.m. PST

Would suggest to change the rotors from propeller blades to a ducted fan/tubro-fan system,

This actually is a ducted fan system. I like the idea of the big props being separate pieces so gamers can do things like paint the tips in a contrast colour (not necessary in a ducted fan of course but it still looks cool!) or just flat black, perhaps with some weathering on them.

The maintenance brackets on the front of the engines give the craft an aggressive leaning-forward look -- I like them! This is the final form of the model -- the anti-grav version will be released shortly, this version hopefully by the end of the year (fingers crossed). Thanks for the input.

zonk7627 Sep 2013 10:25 a.m. PST

That looks very cool!!!

Make it so!!!

Antonius Block19 Jun 2014 2:19 p.m. PST

are you still planning on releasing this? no rush, I was just wondering if I should wait for them or buy the grav version.

khurasanminiatures19 Jun 2014 2:56 p.m. PST

They will be released as an add-on to the grav version. No point in doing it otherwise -- the grav vectors are small enough that there's no need to have the moulds remade just to leave them out.

mister droid19 Jun 2014 3:16 p.m. PST

I'm gonna have to jump on the "no spiky bits" bandwagon. Makes it look less like military hardware and more like GW style deco for deco's sake. But other than that minor complaint, I am in lurv!

khurasanminiatures19 Jun 2014 3:24 p.m. PST

They are manufactured as shown and will be released soon.

Antonius Block19 Jun 2014 3:38 p.m. PST

yeay!!!! :D

ski206019 Jun 2014 4:49 p.m. PST

The spiky bits on the rotor enclosures are to cut entanglements and low hanging power lines that might cause the ship to crash when in low level flight.
At least that is what I assume they are.

Capt Flash19 Jun 2014 10:44 p.m. PST

I like this design, too. The little fins are nice too. Cuts turbulence down a bit…
Anyways, I'm a big fan of the originals and bought three. Thanks for the great designs all around!
-Edgar

Bob Runnicles20 Jun 2014 6:05 a.m. PST

Definitely keeping an eye out for the release of these, can't wait to see them! I hope you cast up plenty for release day!

zonk7620 Jun 2014 7:35 a.m. PST

Yeah I've been kinda holding off until these were released as well…I do like the grav version though. I hope the SPAR teams get released with this too!

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