| SBminisguy | 13 Sep 2013 9:37 a.m. PST |
Hi,
I experimented with fine tip marking pens to do some figure details, but when hitting them with a minwax dip, the ink ran. I've used paint pens, but the tips aren't very fine. I recall hearing that there is a brand of marking pen that survives the Dip process -- can anyone tell me what brand/type of fine point pen can survive the dip? Thanks! |
| Thomas O | 13 Sep 2013 10:36 a.m. PST |
I have had the same problem when using an ink wash after the pens. I switched to ones listed as being permanent and have had better luck, though not the color choices of the others. I am not at home right now so can't check what brand they are. |
| The Gonk | 13 Sep 2013 10:37 a.m. PST |
Have you tried sealing them before dipping? |
| SBminisguy | 13 Sep 2013 10:50 a.m. PST |
You mean trying a matte sealant, then dip and matte finish again? |
 Sgt Slag  | 13 Sep 2013 11:09 a.m. PST |
No, he is suggesting using Future/Klear (water-based acrylic, clear sealant) to seal the pen ink, before applying a solvent-based The Dip (MinWax Polyshades Urethane-Stain). Cheers! |
| Sgt Slag | 13 Sep 2013 11:10 a.m. PST |
No, he is suggesting using Future/Klear (water-based acrylic, clear sealant) to seal the pen ink, before applying a solvent-based <The Dip (MinWax Polyshades Urethane-Stain). Cheers! |
| SBminisguy | 13 Sep 2013 11:22 a.m. PST |
Ok. I've heard that there's a brand of marking pen that can survive solvent-based dip. Does that ring a bell? |
| richarDISNEY | 13 Sep 2013 11:33 a.m. PST |
Nope.
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 miniMo | 13 Sep 2013 12:05 p.m. PST |
I've done lots of lining with Micron Art .005 pens, they come in a variety of colours. They do not run under varnish. I don't dip, but I would guess they stay fast. |
| morrigan | 13 Sep 2013 12:43 p.m. PST |
I've given them a shot of Dulcote after I put the ink on and they didnt run after I put on a wash of Future. |
| Mako11 | 13 Sep 2013 5:51 p.m. PST |
I've had the permanent Micron pens run, when spraying gloss varnish on them. I think the technique needed is to let the ink dry for a few days, or a week, and then lightly spray on the first coat. That way, the ink is sure to be dry, and less solvent, from the lower amount of sealant won't cause it to dissolve, and run. Once the first coat dries a bit, after a few hours, or overnight (read the can's instructions, just to be sure to comply with their recommendations), you can then go back and add another coat, if needed, or a dull coat. |
| MAD MIKE | 13 Sep 2013 6:50 p.m. PST |
I have had good results using copic multiliners on my 1/72 figures link I paint,apply Future wash and then use the markers. I allow the pen ink to dry for a couple of hours then spray with GW purity seal. I find that the pens apply better to the smooth surface from the Future and removal of any mishaps can be done with a little isopropyl without affecting the paint. |
| skinkmasterreturns | 13 Sep 2013 7:37 p.m. PST |
I feel your pain,brother.I did some striping on some landsknecky white pant leg with red pen,and then varnished.Results-a pink leg.luckily it wasnt that noticeable when all was said and done. |
alizardincrimson2  | 14 Sep 2013 9:31 a.m. PST |
pens are why I started using spray sealant :( it's the only way I've manage to not have the ink run |
martin goddard  | 15 Sep 2013 7:35 a.m. PST |
If you can get the black barrelled(permanent) Swan stabilo F or S(Steitdler) they seem to have a much stronger ink than sharpie. Probably a secret German formula. It withstands all, whether you then varnish it or not. Lovely pens martin |
| Mal Sabreur | 15 Sep 2013 10:23 a.m. PST |
The very best is the Rotring Isographic but they are expensive. The Rotring Tikkygraphic is very good too.
Staedler and Micron are fine. Just make sure they are water resistant ink.
There is no need to varnish over these. You can also use them on top of varnish/washes/dips. I've never had ink run.
I use pens in a variety of colours and sizes from 0.7 down to 0.05. The thing to watch out for is that the paint is fully dry before you ink line and that you don't press on too hard. |
