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Atheling29 Aug 2013 1:25 a.m. PST

OK, a day late…. a recent medical appointment left me with no time even to do a short write up covering the Anniversary of the Battle of Bosworth, which was of course fought on August 22nd 1485 (not the 23rd!).

Bosworth marked a turning point in English history in many ways, the last great cavalry charge on English soil, the death of the last Plantagenet King, the beginnings of the Tudor dynasty not to mention the political ramifications that rippled around Europe, most notably in the Burgundian and French kings court.

So, it would seem that it's the perfect time (OK, maybe yesterday would have been better!) to announce that the Lance and Longbow Society will be putting on a Bosworth re-fight at Salute based on the latest information about the archaeological evidence. I know that this book, among others, Bosworth 1485, A Battlefield Rediscovered, Glenn Ford, Anne Curry will play it's part in the overall design of the game and also effect some of the troop types. I will say no more.

You can see the development of the armies and scenery here:

link

I'll be reviewing a few of the books written about Bosworth as we go along and of course you will be able to see all three of the armies develop in 28mm as I go along.

Here's to history!
Darrell.

Darrell Hindley Figure Painter:
darrellhindley.co.uk
Just Add Water II Blog (Painting etc):
link
La Journee Blog (Hundred Years War):
link
Gewalthaufen Blog (Late 15th Cebtury Blog):
gewalthaufen.blogspot.co.uk

venezia sta affondando29 Aug 2013 1:58 a.m. PST

Excellent news. I follow your work with much interest and I will keep looking-in on this project.

(Now tell me, post game at Salute 2014 will we be informed that the game actually took place on another wargame table in the hall?) evil grin

Life imitating art.

Personal logo Cardinal Ximenez Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2013 3:43 a.m. PST

Nice. Thanks.

Watched the Smithsonian Channel episode on the location of Richard III. Pretty good if you have time to catch it. The forensics were interesting.

DM

Atheling29 Aug 2013 6:09 a.m. PST

Watched the Smithsonian Channel episode on the location of Richard III

Is it available in the UK?

Darrell.

Darrell Hindley Figure Painter:
darrellhindley.co.uk
Just Add Water II Blog (Painting etc):
link
La Journee Blog (Hundred Years War):
link
Gewalthaufen Blog (Late 15th Cebtury Blog):
gewalthaufen.blogspot.co.uk

Belis4rius30 Aug 2013 4:24 a.m. PST

I have just ordered the book, seeing as it is now an almost flat battlefield I am looking forward to hopefully some new interpretations.

My interest lies in where was Northumberland?

Scarab Miniatures30 Aug 2013 4:43 a.m. PST

Darrell

there was an in depth programme on locating Richards body on Channel 4 a few months ago, including facial reconstruction.

It is a terrifically interesting period and the book is also on my list to buy or get from the library.

Look forward to seeing how the game developes

kind regards

ROB Broom
scarabminiatures.com
warandconquest.co.uk

Atheling30 Aug 2013 5:59 a.m. PST

Darrell

there was an in depth programme on locating Richards body on Channel 4 a few months ago, including facial reconstruction.

Yeah I watched it Rob, in fact they did a couple one I found quite amusing, the other was a bit more serious.

It is a terrifically interesting period and the book is also on my list to buy or get from the library.

It's a *must* for the Battle of Bosworth and makes the demo game all the more interesting and important IMHO.

Look forward to seeing how the game developes

There will be regular updates in terms of both info. and painting etc.

I'm guessing that I'll see you at Partizan on Sunday Rob?

Darrell.

Darrell Hindley Figure Painter:
darrellhindley.co.uk
Just Add Water II Blog (Painting etc):
link
La Journee Blog (Hundred Years War):
link
Gewalthaufen Blog (Late 15th Cebtury Blog):
gewalthaufen.blogspot.co.uk

yarr6830 Aug 2013 6:47 a.m. PST

Hmm? I'll look forward to seeing this at the show!

Condottiere30 Aug 2013 9:01 a.m. PST

Wow. May be worth the trip across the pond.

janner30 Aug 2013 9:37 a.m. PST

Great news Darrel, as long as you've kept Salute 2015 ringfenced ;-)

By John 5401 Sep 2013 10:37 a.m. PST

This should be great, look forward to seeing it, BUT ONLY if it is an actual, played game.
Set up, then not touched, is rubbish in the extreme.
Please tell me it will be played?

John

Atheling01 Sep 2013 11:53 a.m. PST

This should be great, look forward to seeing it, BUT ONLY if it is an actual, played game.
Set up, then not touched, is rubbish in the extreme.
Please tell me it will be played?

We have never put on a demo game that has not been played do yes, it will most certainly be played!

Great news Darrel, as long as you've kept Salute 2015 ringfenced ;-)

Yes, it is ringfenced. It should be quite a day ;))


Darrell.

Darrell Hindley Figure Painter:
darrellhindley.co.uk
Just Add Water II Blog (Painting etc):
link
La Journee Blog (Hundred Years War):
link
Gewalthaufen Blog (Late 15th Cebtury Blog):
gewalthaufen.blogspot.co.uk

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop03 Sep 2013 12:31 p.m. PST

Bosworth is very local to me- If anyone does travel across the Pond, look me up, I'd be delighted to show you round Leicester if I'm free.

By John 5403 Sep 2013 1:07 p.m. PST

Great news, Hate static demo 'games' total waste of time.

Good luck, love Salute, and the staff if you are putting on a game, are total stars.

Putting on a game myself next year, when I decide what to do!

John

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP06 Sep 2013 8:21 a.m. PST

Inspiring project. Good luck.

Old Guy05 Nov 2013 3:37 a.m. PST

I have recently just finished this book and I have to say I am completely at a loss as how it would play as a wargame. I already have a scenario for the battle based on my own interpretations but want to update it using the new evidence.

I get the impression that the battle was basically a non-event from a wargaming point of view.

I also don't see how their interpretation works, we have Oxford marching through the 'marsh' to confront Norfolk, meanwhile Northumberland does not move because of the marsh, then Stanley comes from the left of the line, through the marsh and attacks Norfolk.

Apart from the fact that we now know the battle was not at Ambion Hill and that some artillery and handguns were used, probably by both sides, it is still up in the air how you play it.

AlanYork06 Nov 2013 8:25 a.m. PST

I can't make head nor tail of where the troops deployed in relation to each other. What's needed is a clear map showing what are believed to be the deployments on the revised battle site. Does anyone know where there is one?

painterman07 Nov 2013 11:50 a.m. PST

I tend to agree with Old Guy and Alan – the book is not as definitive as we would wish for as wargamers (although I believe the authors have been 'true' to the sources and evidence and reached as much of a conclusion as is possible at present).
just for info, I did a quick book review on my blog, following a first read…
link

Simon.

MajorB08 Nov 2013 2:53 a.m. PST

I get the impression that the battle was basically a non-event from a wargaming point of view.

Yesthatphil has done a very creditable version of Bosworth on the "new" battlefield using DBA3:
link

Old Guy09 Nov 2013 7:41 a.m. PST

I have to arrange the game for next Saturday and so far the best I can come up with is two battles each, Norfolk and Richard along with Oxford and Henry, both principal characters having cavalry with possibly a couple of infantry contingents just to beef up the action. I think the French were with or near Henry as I remember reading a snippet from a Frenchman at the battle who basically boasts that his guys saved Henry. Despite believing myself that the Stanley's only really came in for the rout at the end to curry favour with the victor, I shall have a possiblility of their intervention on a flank.

The DBA game looked interesting but no real info on the set up.

Painterman, your stuff looks really good, makes me want to start my medievals all over again.

MajorB09 Nov 2013 2:50 p.m. PST

The DBA game looked interesting but no real info on the set up.

Richard III
2 x Art
4 x Double Bw (Solid) (Norfolk)
1 x Hd (Commission of Array)
1 x Double Sp (pike)
1 x Ps (handguns)
1 x Kn(Gen) Richard III
1 x Kn (MAA)
1 x Kn (Northumberland)
Northumberland can only move on a 5 or 6

Henry Tudor
1 x Art
2 x Bw
1 x Blade (Oxford)
1 x Ax (Welsh?)
1 x Ps (handguns)
2 x Double Sp (French and Scottish pike)
2 x Bd (Halberdiers supporting pike)
1 x Kn(Gen) (Henry Tudor)
Sir W Stanley (1 X Kn) can only move on a 6

picture

MajorB09 Nov 2013 2:53 p.m. PST

I think the French were with or near Henry as I remember reading a snippet from a Frenchman at the battle who basically boasts that his guys saved Henry.

Of course, that may just mean that as far as the French were concerned they saved Henry (and his army) from defeat, not necessarily that they saved his person.

Old Guy10 Nov 2013 5:17 a.m. PST

Thanks for that, looking forward to my game on Saturday.

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