"Madhist in Death in the Dark Continent." Topic

hi.

I need help with the Madhist list in Death in the Dark Continent.

Jihadiyya: soldiers (soldiers????) up to half with BL(20 points), rest with muskets(9 points).

The soldiers move 1D6+2, The warriors 2D6.

In others rules (T&T, BFE2, Black powder, …) the madhist are armed with spears/swords/shields (skirmish with muskets/rifles) and are irregulars(warriors).

Is a errata?

Thanks.

Hi,

I do not play the rules you are refering to but the Jihadiya was a special "elite" corps established by the mahdi as sort of a personnal guard. It was composed entirely of black Sudanese troops and "bazingers" who were captured and forced into the mahdis service. The Egyptians used many local Sudanese troops on the frontier and the bazingers were the "slave" troops of the local slaver warlords who were often hired by the Egyptian government. As such, the jihadiya was composed of troops who were trained soldiers and relatively used to European type tactics and weapons. At its height, the jihadiya corps contained close to 30,000 troops. It was replaced when the Khalifa came to power after the mahdis' death and established his own personnal guard, the red turbans, who were of his own tribe and thus the same tactically as the rest of the dervish forces.
I hope this helps,
Tom D

Many of the Jihadiya were formerly of the Egyptian Sudanese forces, if I recall correctly.
There is a useful article about Mahdist firepower in the Mahdist Wars Sourcebook, available from The Virtual Armchair General.

I'm not familiar with the ruleset either but Caesar made a great recommendation to read the article on Ansar firepower. It's entitled "The Myth of Ansar Firepower," by Doug Johnson and originally appeared in "Savage and Soldier" magazine. According to the article, the Mahdi's forces possessed more than 20,000 rifles and plenty of ammunition. British troops were surprised by the volume and relative accuracy of the Jihadiyya riflemen. If you're at all interested in the wars in the Sudan I highly recommend the two volume, "The Mahdist Wars Source Book," edited by Patrick Wilson and available through his The Virtual Armchair General website.

The Mahdi's army also possessed artillery, including recently captured Krupp field pieces manned by captured Egyptian artillerymen. At the Battle of El Teb the Mahdist force deployed at least two Krupp guns and impressed the British with their accuracy and handling.

The Mahdi also used artillery at the Siege of Khartoum and in forts/positions along the Nile against British gunboats. However, after the Mahdi's death, his successor, the Khalifa, allowed his artillery park to gather dust and did not use much of it against Kitchener's army in the reconquest.

The main problem I have with that list is that most Ansar are rated as skirmishers rather than warriors.

Arghhhhhh

The ansar are skirmish, the skirmish can't charge .
Arghhhhhh
i don't like this list.
I purchase this books from TVAG , thanks all.

You may also want to check out The Sword and the Flame for rules.

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You can upgrade half the Ansar to elite, who can charge, but even so, it seems an odd designation – unless Chris knows something we don't about southern Mahdist armies.

Caesar
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You may also want to check out The Sword and the Flame for rules.

Thanksˇˇˇˇ.

We have these rules, but we've never played with them.

British rifles hit (1-7), and ansar rifles hit(1-6).
Very similar. Ok. XD.

Henry Martini.
You can upgrade half the Ansar to elite, who can charge, but even so, it seems an odd designation – unless Chris knows something we don't about southern Mahdist armies.

Correct, mmmmm, my ansar change to warriors, the designation skirmish no, no , no, no, XD.

It's a shame, the rules seemed to me very interesting, but this list …….

We will continue playing with T & T.

How does Triumph and Tragedy play? I can't find any real reviews around.

mmm

no onre review, but interesting…

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Thanks.