"15mm Russian infantry in (Austerlitz)?" Topic

Hi
Does anyone know of 15mm Russian infantry in greatcoat (around austerlitz or the Russo-Swedish war) 1805-1809?
Prefer NOT AB as they have to mix with Minifigs, and Roundway (and couple of Heritage).
Thanks in advance

hhmmm…sorry in advance for the incomplete title. It should read "15mm Russian infantry in GREATCOAT (Austerlitz)?"

I don't know how to edit it.

warrior miniatures do such a thing.

I dont have a better photo of them than this :

But they are similar to the pavlov grenadiers in greatcoats (on the left), but with early war shakos instead of mitres. They are sort of hidden behind the front line in this shot.

All figs in the photo above are warrior miniatures.

Hope that helps

I've just received an order of Russians in shako from Warrior today (ordered thurs.)-no greatcoats but very nice figures and the same size as Roundway.

Wow,"deflatermouse" there was a guy on the Bartertown site, that was selling 6 packs of 1803 bicorn Russian infantry, and 4 or 5 packs of Russian infantry with the 1805 shako. All of these figures were Minifig 2nd gen.

He had 2 packs of Russian infantry, with the 1812 shako, that I bought from him.

I have unpainted Minifig 2nd gen Russian infantry, in the 1805 shako, if you are interested. They are not in greatcoats.

At the battle of Austerlitz, most of the Russian infantry were still wearing bicorns. Like the Prussians at Jena.

Aaaawww!!!

Barter town,eh?? Maybe I should check it out.
Thank you for these excellent responses.
I didn't know about Warrior's. Thank you for the pic,s. They look good.
In 1991, I got some Afghans from them and wasn't too happy, so (obviously mistakenly)applied that to the rest of the ranges.
OH!!! the wasted years!

I was thinking Shako so I would be able to cover 1805-1810 without too much dislocation.

Reggie Would this fellow still have the other packs? I would also be interested in any you don't have the need for. I'm not (yet) a suporting members so am unable to PM.

I think so. It seemed like nobody wanted them. He was on the site, two other times. He kept reducing the price of the packs, each time he was on the site. I got mine for $4.00 USD a pack. He had a ton of packs, but they were mostly Early Russians, before 1812. He had Early Russian cavalry also. He actually had more Russian infantry packs than I mention. But I don't remember him having any Russians in greatcoats. He had a few packs of British and Prussians , also.

As I mentioned before, I have quite a few Minifig 2nd gen Russians in the 1805 Shako, if you are interested. If you want, I could give you a list of what I have.

The guy was on Bartertown quite a few months ago

Hi Reggie,
Yes I'd be intereted in anything you don't want 1805-10 wise. Are they unpainted?

BTW most of my collection seems to be made of stuff no-one else wants.

Hi "deflatermouse",

Yes they are all unpainted. Give me an e-mail at this address, rsampson1@att.net and I'll give you a list.

I am so sorry, I could not find the figures that I thought I had. All I can find was 6 Russian Hussars with lances, the trumpter and the officer.

Let me look more, tomorrow, and see if I can find anything.

Again, so sorry.

Warrior Napoleonics (at least) have all been changed since 1991. The only thing I have is that the alloy is fairly brittle.
Many Russian units were still wearing shakos in 1813 so they are a good choice. I think the biggest difference between 1805 and 1810-12 is probably the pack. Warrior have the later blanket roll and square pack and the Roundway the early valise worn diagonally. Roundway cavalry and horse artillery also have the huge caterpillar crest. The 2 makes are so close in size you could use both without it being noticed. These are Roundway I painted for a gamer in London

And Roundway Musketeers

Reggie No need to appologies. Al help and offers are very greatly appreciated.

Looks like I'll be gtting some Warrior and some more Roundway to go with my Minifigs.

Does anyone do Russian infantry command in Greatcoat?

Small aside
Does anyone do Austrians in Helmet and greatcoat?

Lancashire Games and Minifigs both do Austrians in helmet and greatcoat. The Lancs Games ones are a bit bigger but excellent value. For Russian command try the Minifigs ones (40NR) in forage cap and turn them into bicornes or use the minifsg Prussian command (28NP) and file the shako top flat then add any plumes. Either one are fairly simple conversions.

Hi Mal,

Thanks for posting the pictures of the Roundway figures. Very nice paint jobs. I like the look of the Roundway Russians. They look like they will fit nicely alongside Minifigs. The sculpting style looks very similar to 2nd gen Minifigs.

Hi SJ.
The style IS pretty similar. I particularly like the cavalry. I always remove the cast flag though. Don't be tempted by the Naismith Russians. The horses are ok but the riders are far too small. Others of theirs are ok -I have Swedish Hussars converted to 2nd Guard Chasseurs a Cheval and have ordered Austrian Hussars in pelisse to use as the Young Guard squadrons to go with the Roundway Old Guard and Naismith Mamelukes which are lovely figures

Hi Mal,

Thank you also for the pics. Very nice work on them.
Very remiss of me I realised after I shut everything down.

The Minifigs Russian Greatcoat command looks good.(ie not their silly "dramitic" lunging pose).
Pity theres no pics of the Austrians in overcoat. I'm guessing the 1798 would be similar poses to the 1806 figures.

Small aside
Does anyone do Austrians in Helmet and greatcoat?

Lancashire Games – slightly bigger than 15mm, smaller than 18mm. (shall we call em 16mm ???)

link

thank you for that. I do have some French in Greatcoat from Lancashire. Nice figures but lots bigger.

Have a look at the 1798 command in overcoat (36NO) the illustration is actually of an infantryman at attack march.
Some of the Lancs games figures are nice. My main problem with them is the lack of command for so many troop types. I think that probably puts a lot of people off them. They are great if you want to build up an army cheaply and quickly though and they can paint up a treat.
So ong as they are in separate formations, I can't see a problem with using different manufacturers. Lancs Games, Roundway, Minifigs, Naismith and Essex all have the advantage of having consistent scales within their ranges -something that can't be said of OG, AB, Battle Honours and Fantassin/Warmodelling
There seems to be this thing about "if I make it a bit bigger I can get mor detail in…" and before you know where you are, what WAS 15mm becomes 18 or even 20mm.
I know it's a kind of search for perfection, but if you have to work outside the parameters of the scale to achieve it, have you actually REACHED it? (Grasshopper.)
I've actually gone BACK to the older style figures because I KNOW they will be consistent.
We're forgetting the other "old" range here -Chariot Miniatures. I love some of their figures. Their revolutionary French infantry provide bare-headed, bicorned and enthusiastic Frenchmen for any pre-Bardin army and the later French provide Confederation and Neapolitan troops in Bardin uniform. It's a pity the Russian cavalry is all post shako and the Austrian cavalry from the revolutionary period. My favourites are the Scots Greys.

I've just finished these Warrior Russians

They're quite nice figures but the bayonets are a bit delicate so I've had to replace a few -staples and metal epoxy adhesive worked fine. It's no worse than what happens with some Old Glory 15s.
Mal

Heyhey!! They look fantastic.

I got a small order of Warriors today. Great stuff. Hope to get them painted up ntomorrow.
sadly I forgot to include artillerists and guns. Next time.
I'm planning on getting Grenadiers with greatcoat and with out.

and then I'll probably get some (more) French.
Thank you guys for all the words and pics

I've read Russian muskets were painted black with red slings. Has anyone else read that?

In "Russian Grenadiers and Infantry 1799-1815" (Osprey) It does say in the descriptions of an illustration that the 1796 pattern musket stock was made of walnut and usually painted black, but it doesn't make it clear whether this was just for the regiment illustrated (Moscow Grenadiers, Smolensk Inspection, 1805), whether it was just for the period when the army was organized into inspections or whether (and this is unlikely) the musket stocks followed the same colours for flag and pike staffs and NCOs batons.

Most illustrations show them as being dark wood. I think paint would have worn off pretty quickly in the field so a very dark polish would have been more likely.
The slings were a reddish-brown leather rather than red. I usually use chocolate brown on umber for the stock and chestnut or rust for the slings. (Ral Partha colours, which, incidentally are excellent value!)
Hope that helps

Mal

Many seem to overlook that Jaeger musket and rifle slings were changed to black leather in 1804.

How do you post pictures?

Put the photo on flikr or photobucket or whatever then use copy and paste to add the link to the post on here.
On photobucket, the options come up to the right of the selected photo under "Links to share this photo" left click on the "direct" option and it will automatically copy the link. All you need do then is right click and paste on your post.
Hope that helps!
Mal

FINALLY!!!
A pic tutorial I can understand. Thank you greatly, sir. So very appreciated.

Thanks so much for the info Mal Sabreur. I don't have flikr or photobucket. I was planning to post some pics, on this site, from an e-mail that I got. Oh well

I like this discussion on the smaller, older, "real" 15mm Napoleonic figures1

There's something about seeing figures all doing the same thing. 1968billsfan. I've recently sold all my "large" 15/18mm figures and started replacing them with old style 15s. Even my Imperial Guard. These are the Guard cavlry so far -4 regiments of lancers, Horse Grenadiers, Empress Dragoons, Old and Young Guard Chasseurs, Mamelukes and 2nd Chassseurs,

Mal Sabreur, the pic is breathtaking. What is the ratio of your units? Is it 1:20 or 1:60? What rules do you use? If it is 1:60, did you see the the ad on the TMP Market of the guy selling true-15mm Napoleonic figures?

Hi Reggie 88. Thanks for the comment!
These are all at the old 1:33 ratio though the Mamelukes are over-strength. The Guard Cavalry are all Roundway and Naismith apart from the Kleve-Berg Lancers which are old Heritage Austrian Uhlans.
I've not actually played for quite some time but I'm slowly getting round to it again. I've a lovely 12x8ft block built shed that would make a nice little games room.
Rules wise, I use my own rules which are based on Bruce Quarrie's "Napoleon's Campaigns in Miniature." I discovered these many years ago, loved them and have never found a need to change. I know on here there are a lot of people that just don't seem to understand Quarrie's rules or find them difficult to use though I can't see why. I find them very easy, straight-forward and fairly quick. If anything, my own version have complicated them in some areas but simplified them in others.
I also like the "National Characteristics" idea, which is now poo-poohed but gives each army a very different feel and different capabilities -a bit like an RPG character!
I never buy painted figures -if anyone has unpainted Heritage/Empire at sensible prices though…
I paint to keep myself occupied as I was forced into early retirement by ill-health. My painting for myself and friends, and more recently, the "restoration" of my rules and campaign maps have been a godsend.
These are more shots of the Guard Cavalry.

Woo! Very nice (understatement).
Even my wife is impressed.

Empire (II I think) was the 1st game I saw displayed. Bruce Quarrie's was the 1 set I read ( with the campaign map using a map of Ireland).

I have a few Empire Prussians.Infantry Jagers, Landwhere, Musketeers and I think Dragoon command. And a couple of Austrians.

Excellent figures great photo

Deflatermouse, I have quite a lot of Empire Prussians -musketeers, Grenadiers, jagers, dragoons and cuirassier, a couple of regiments of Austrian hussars and about 8 battalions of French line infantry that will eventually become Neapolitans. They fit in really well with the Naismith figures. The Prussian musketeers are teamed up with series 2 Minifigs fusilier battalions and they are fine with them too.

I drew my own campaign maps. When I was at uni as a mature student in the late 80s, I had a couple of days a week when I had to go in for just 1 lecture. I lived about 30 miles away and it seemed a shame to travel so far for so little, so I asked to sit in on other courses that I was interested in -one of which was cartography. The maps were a way of putting some of what I learned to "good" use and covered 8 "A" size sheets with a master copy and 2 sets for teams.
The campaign rules were a home-grown set built around a basic idea by Jim Webster(?) in the old (original) Miniature Wargames magazine. I am currently trying to put them onto the PC but it's taking a while. They cover all sorts -weather, scouting, supply and replacements, map skirmishes and sieges. Eventually they will integrate seaborne raids/cutting out expeditions/boat actions too.
If you ever want rid of any unpainted Empire figures let me know. I'm happy to buy quantities enough for full battalions or swap for painted figures.

Sorry, reading my post wasn'tclear.

Yes I have some figures to go to someone whose need is greater than mine. How many do you need? How many would you like?

Sounds like you have loads! could you send me a list to mal.oconn@btinternet.com please?