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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 11:42 a.m. PST

It is such a fundamental question and it has been asked before. New releases seem to meet our every need. Folk like Westfalia are prepared to risk producing what might seem obscure subjects. Perry's suddenly went from just 1815 to Austrians, Russians, earlier French with coat tails that were not long enough to suit everyone and those marvellous retreat form Moscow figures. Calpe were gradually covering the Prussians, but suddenly saw the commercial advantage of adding to the French range. Great!

We are spoilt for choice like we have not been since 1970/80s.

But what is missing? I have no idea how influential this forum might be, but what if everyone is crying out for Gendarmes d'Elite, or Eclaireurs de La Garde (2nd Reg of course) and manufacturers do not know? Some figures are just a repainting job, but some quite impossible. Recent request here for civilians….hard to find. Why not just sell some bare heads, maybe some with whiskers and sideburns…no hats…to allow easy conversion.

What is missing out there?

A Twiningham Inactive Member26 Jun 2013 11:44 a.m. PST


Lord Raglan Inactive Member26 Jun 2013 11:45 a.m. PST

Dutch infantry and artillery for the Peninsular War, jolly difficult to convert from existing metal ranges.


The Gray Ghost26 Jun 2013 11:50 a.m. PST

I don't remember being spoiled for choices in the 70s but
some civilians would be nice

Footslogger26 Jun 2013 12:18 p.m. PST

The Perries are making a start on Rheinbund troops, but curiously have started with some of the smallest contingents.

Would love to see the middle-sized contingents like Baden and Hesse-Darmstadt for 1809. All power to Front Rank's elbow for doing Wurttembergers.

And +1 for civilians – German and Polish peasants, British camp followers, and Pride and Prejudice gentry.

MajorB26 Jun 2013 12:33 p.m. PST

Americans and Canadians for the War of 1812.

Duc de Limbourg Inactive Member26 Jun 2013 12:35 p.m. PST

french revolution british/hanoverians, dutch, prussians, hesse cassel etc etc

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 12:43 p.m. PST

Napoleonic Martians?

Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 1:43 p.m. PST

I second the Napoleonic civilians. Camp followers, innocent bystanders etc. And they need to be for different areas. A Spanish peasant is no good in the Danube valley. (Actually, hats off to the Perrys who have already done the Spanish in their Carlist War Range.)

ottenfeld26 Jun 2013 1:45 p.m. PST

I second Raglan: Dutch for the Kingdom of Holland 1806-1810.

malcolmmccallum26 Jun 2013 2:12 p.m. PST

Napoleonic civilians. I want the whole Bennet clan in 28mm, and also Pauline Bonaparte and Prince Borghese. Maybe its a niche. Tallyrand? Metternich? Queen Louise of Prussia?

welly181526 Jun 2013 3:30 p.m. PST

British ADCs

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 3:51 p.m. PST

More cavalry in cloaks and winter dress both mounted and dismounted. Cossacks especially though I see Perry has at least one pack hoping there is more coming.

In general and perhaps rightly so, manufacturers focus on regimental level elements and up. I'd like to see more company level stuff more NCOs and more cornetists. Also more character figures.

Also Russian peasants in winter attire armed with farm implements. Militia is fairly well covered but the opportunistic and unorganized bands aren't.

Russian jaegers skirmishing with command and NCOs in overcoats would be useful.

I'll second the civilians and add "in winter dress" especially women with small children.

Edwulf26 Jun 2013 4:09 p.m. PST

British in greatcoats.

British camp followers.

Revolutionary era British.

Portuguese and Spanish Ordencia (-spelling?)

Scruffy British, French and Spanish deserters led by enigmatic French chef.

Swedes and Danes. The former being quite important to 1813.

Harvey laven Inactive Member26 Jun 2013 4:16 p.m. PST

Hussars partying at a table

Lord Hill26 Jun 2013 4:22 p.m. PST

British ADCs (and all the other staff: Assistant Quartermaster Generals etc etc)

British heavy cavalry in plastic!

British Royal Wagon Train

Personal logo Bashytubits Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 4:46 p.m. PST

The Ming Chinese to go with their Choson Koreans from Perry's.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 5:38 p.m. PST

More cavalry in cloaks and winter dress

Or just more cavalry in summer campaign dress. I like an army that looks "used", but I can only find cavalry that's showing off its finery.

For myself, I need French Legere for the Peninsula War (i.e., campaign-like – trousers, shako covers, etc.). To go with the likes of the new French line from Perry and Front Rank. They can also be used for a lot of those odd foreign units (e.g., Irish Legion). And who doesn't love obscure units?

Yes, the legere looks a lot like the line, so why not just paint those differently? The problem is that the level of detail on figures has gotten to the point that the details you could previously ignore, like the shape of the cuffs and cut of the coat, can't be ignored any more. Pointy cuffs, pointy lapels, shorter tails – these things show up in 28mm when someone like Alan Perry carves the figure.

I think the Spanish are under-represented. There is a mind-boggling number of possibilities for Spanish, but everyone concentrates on the white 1805 uniforms and the British-supplied ones later in the war. Front Rank's has some useful ones, but there so much more!

Can anyone tell I'm doing a Peninsula project?

George Krashos26 Jun 2013 6:39 p.m. PST

In plastics, the only things really missing are French Light Infantry and Young Guard Infantry.

Metals will get you just about anything won't they?

Scott MacPhee26 Jun 2013 7:27 p.m. PST

Casualties. I like to use them as markers, and they are hard to come by.

idontbelieveit26 Jun 2013 7:39 p.m. PST

Baden and Hesse-Darmstadt for 1813 too.

Westphalian lights.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 7:47 p.m. PST

Westphalian zombies.

Edwulf26 Jun 2013 8:08 p.m. PST

Dismounted British light Dragoons.

willthepiper26 Jun 2013 8:42 p.m. PST

Another vote for civilians, especially ladies of gentle birth (or can at least pass as such). I'm thinking of any of Sharpe's ladies, Queen Luise of Prussia, Empress Josephine, Lady Hamilton, Duchess of Richmond, Natasha Rostova or Helena Kuragina, just for starters.

I've not been able to find a horse artillery limber for my Russians – I can find one for foot artillery, but it's my horse arty that are more likely to need to relocate in the middle of a battle.

John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2013 9:13 p.m. PST

A big enough table to have an actual game? :-)

Seamus26 Jun 2013 9:50 p.m. PST

I'd like to see more plastic artillery. The only set I can find is Victrix British foot artillery with those ~2mm wide rims- barely enough contact for plastic cement.

Feet up now Inactive Member27 Jun 2013 7:01 a.m. PST

photo etched Bricoles.

I second Seamus on plastic artillery with optional barrels .

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2013 9:05 a.m. PST

Brilliant to see so many early responses.

Let me add Saxon Garde du Corps with cloak rolled, or their Zastrow Cuirassiers.

The idea of any cavalry in cloaks made me think "Oh why did I not say that?". Almost worth leaving the head off. But for lancers, almost any head figure of any nation could be stuck on a generic cavalry cloaked figure…..OK boots might be a problem for heavy vs light…what an idea though.

Civilians…….great idea. Loads of good gags and vignettes ideas here.

Do any manufacturers follow this forum? Is there anyone out there listening? This is what folk really want. Let's hear from you! Gendarmes d'Elite first, then the rest please…this was my idea and I know what I want and, incredibly, no one makes…so easy…….I've tried with Garde Artillery heads and Garde Dragoon horses but the Perry's Grenadiers a Cheval are not their best ever releases and they are hobbit like (and the aigulettes have to swap sides). Little fat guys.

I see lead people27 Jun 2013 2:44 p.m. PST


FYI Eureka Miniatures do a cracking 28mm Saxon Garde du Corps & Zastrow Cuirassiers. Beautiful figures, Perry compatibale sculpted by Alan Marsh. Well worth a look!

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2013 5:34 a.m. PST

Oh, I'd like to see Old Guard in greatcoats skirmishing (Firing and loading) and charging with level muskets.

Musketier Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2013 6:15 a.m. PST

I'll third plastic artillery, and "umpteen" the civilians. Not just gentlepersons either, we need more ruddy peasants to feed all those armies!

Lord Hill28 Jun 2013 7:00 a.m. PST

yeah, a few civilian drivers/drovers would be nice – for all those rear echolon casualty waggons etc.

Did I mention plastic British heavy cavalry?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2013 9:00 a.m. PST

Eureka miniatures? I had no idea. I thought they only did (and very nicely) 15/18mm figs for Napoleonic Era. The pictures of the Saxon Heavy cavalry suggest superb mouldings. So grateful then to I See Lead People.

and I gather that Westfalia at least, from the manufacturers, have been reading this exchange. Imagine if all this even creates just one new release! If you can already create the couple with the barrow and the wounded infantryman……..

Duc de Limbourg Inactive Member28 Jun 2013 10:49 a.m. PST

eureka does do drivers for the FR, maybe also usable for later period?

Footslogger28 Jun 2013 2:33 p.m. PST

British in greatcoats?

Try Knuckleduster's War of 1812 range. (Although I've no idea why their NCO pack has three men with muskets and none with spontoon.)

You shouldn't need British in greatcoats for Waterloo. They were ordered to be packed away for the summer.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2013 3:53 p.m. PST

Oh, I'd like to see Old Guard in greatcoats skirmishing (Firing and loading) and charging with level muskets.

You might like these, from Oniria Miniatures:


It's a start, at least.

spontoon29 Jun 2013 10:09 a.m. PST

1801 Danes.
1806 Dutch.
Sultan of Oman's camel mounted pipe band.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2013 12:30 p.m. PST

Does anyone know of a source of "bare heads" in hard plastic for variety and conversions? Obviously we could go to any era, so long as they look European and do not have outlandish hair….which of course is the problem. You can get hairy Vikings or the Mahdi's Sudanese hatless, but they would not look right on a voltigeur's neck. We are starting to see Polish heads and Union Black soldier heads for ACW, where is the hatless guy?

pilum40 Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2013 1:55 p.m. PST

Bolivians, Peruvians, Argentians?

DukeWacoan Supporting Member of TMP Fezian02 Jul 2013 4:14 p.m. PST

Scouts E'claires for 1814 French

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2013 6:46 a.m. PST

Yes, let me say it again. 2nd Eclaireurs de La Garde, second only to Gendarmes d'Elite on my wish list in 28mm. 1st and third are easy conversions or repaint jobs. Second are possible if you use Perry late Hussar shakoes (I never believe the conical shako story, that reflects much later art work, Restoration and second Empire), dragoon trunk converted to single breasted surtout with a scalpel, stuck onto overcalled legs of French hussars, but you have to recreate the coat tails…all mounted on a horse from Perrys' plastic ACW or maybe British dragoons in metal. They used very simple horse furniture by all accounts.

christot07 Aug 2013 11:30 a.m. PST

Good old Connoissuer miniatures – Now sold by Bicorne miniatures- do Gendarmes d'elite, Zastrows and Garde du corps- all these figures are old now but are still pretty fine-
Bicorne also carry the Firing Line range which has an sizable range of seperate heads, shako'd colpack, bearskin, with mustache/ without, bonnets d' police, polkamon etc. Also have a large range of bareheads which are tucked away on their website under "generic" heads or in the ACW range iirc.






Supercilius Maximus07 Aug 2013 11:37 a.m. PST

I seem to recall Hinchliffe did British in greatcoats, and so did Minifigs; however, they would not be popular as that garment was seldom worn by British troops (I think they were either left with the baggage or stored away in Spain, and they were definitely left in the rear areas during the Waterloo campaign).

However, 1794/95 British for the Low Countries campaigns – with lots of heavy cavalry AND Austrian and Russian allies – should be a good one. I suspect Eureka will be heading in that direction once their Austrian and Russian RevWar ranges are done.

Hugh Johns Inactive Member07 Aug 2013 12:56 p.m. PST

Russian jaegers?

mashrewba Inactive Member07 Aug 2013 1:02 p.m. PST

I recently started collecting the earlier Napoleonic armies and ,it may just be me, but there didn't actually seem to be much out there which really suprised me. Simply thousands of figs in Bardin outfits etc but I understand lots of people were still wearing the earlier uniforms anyway. Is it all about Waterloo?
The Eureka figs look amazing but they are very expensive form the UK.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2013 1:15 p.m. PST

Christot, indebted to you. Not just the Saxon heavy cavalry, but Gendarmes d'Elite………..seventh heaven for me. Brilliant and much appreciated

huevans01114 Aug 2013 1:35 p.m. PST

I would go along with civilians – and also coaches and servants, driver, etc. for skirmishing and swashbuckling games.

Augie the Doggie Inactive Member14 Aug 2013 3:19 p.m. PST

I'd like to see Murat in his various uniforms.

Polish Garde Chasseurs ( before they became lancers ) would be nice too.

Connoisseur makes British infantry in great coats.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP15 Aug 2013 8:54 a.m. PST

I've taken the expensive plunge for those Eureka Saxon Garde du Corps…they look wonderful on line anyway.

Interesting. The Eureka website invites suggestions (see the 100 Club) for new figures. It has to all be commercial inevitably. It takes enough folk to commit to purchase, but that way we might yet see Garde Gendarmes d'Elite of the Saxon quality?

Biggest vote so far…isn't it odd?…is for civilians!!!!!!

Garde de Paris15 Aug 2013 10:32 a.m. PST

I would like to see Victrix or Perry do French line dragoons from the 1807-12 era – long-tailed habit – preferably in dress uniforms. I would probably paint 6 figures each for the Dragoon regiments that served in Spain.
This would probably be a big seller.

I have another wish to have French line Chasseurs a cheval, again in the 1807-12 era with long-tailed habit. Again, I would do 6 for each regiment that served in Spain. But it is so rare to see these in wargames on TMP. Does anyone paint them?

Third, it would be great to have Victrix or Perry French line infantry for 1807-12 in dress uniforms – no overalls. I would probably go into bankrutcy after buying enough to do 10 more "French" battalions of 36!


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