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Onomarchos Supporting Member of TMP15 Oct 2004 4:11 a.m. PST

Does anyone have any info on this set of new rules?

Thanks, Mark

Griefbringer15 Oct 2004 4:31 a.m. PST

Isn't it supposed to be called "Warhammer Old West"?

I only know what I read in WD; it is supposed to be coming out this year on the anniversary of gunfight at OK Corral. Plus there are two supplements under work, one about Alamo and another one about US cavalry and Indian wars.

Griefbringer

Steve Flanagan Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 4:44 a.m. PST

See here:
http://www.warhammer-historical.com/news.htm

Both names are used, but the cover repro says "The Old West". There's a Perry brothers OK Corral diorama too.

Sir Able Brush15 Oct 2004 5:02 a.m. PST


Just tried to order - but their checkout is malfucntioning.

mweaver Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 5:17 a.m. PST

Wouldn't it be nice if the Perry Brothers did some old west miniatures?

mweaver Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 5:17 a.m. PST

(Did they do any of Foundry's western figures?).

Lee Brilleaux Fezian Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 6:31 a.m. PST

The Foundry's first range was by Mark Copplestone, the later one by Mike Owen.

georgem Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 7:09 a.m. PST

From what I heard the rules are based on the Lord of the Rings skirmish game by GW. Its scheduled for a November release, which given GW Historical will be propably be out for a xmas release.

Task Force Productions, an New Zealand company have a set of rules I played the other night called "We can be Heroes". Intended for heroic hollywood style actions , they are worth having a look at

nazrat Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 8:06 a.m. PST

I'm looking forward to the Warhammer Western game, but I hope it isn't based on LOTR-- even though it isn't a bad game, I'm not wowed by that system.

Pyruse Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 8:15 a.m. PST

What's wrong with the LOTR system? It's much nicer than regular Warhammer skirmish, IMO.

Probert15 Oct 2004 8:28 a.m. PST

I'm excited that some quality old west minis might be in my local store.

I'll probably pick up the Two Hour Wargames Old West set.

Skeptic15 Oct 2004 9:11 a.m. PST

I read on one of the Yahoo! groups of which Rob Broom is a member that the game is inspired by the likes of Mordheim and Necromunda, and that the book will be some 140+ pages in length.


-Skeptic

pphalen Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 9:59 a.m. PST

Biggest problem with the LOTR skirmish rules are the ineffectiveness of bow fire. Legolas needs to expand might to kill things...

If guns are as effective in The Old West game, all skrimishes will end up as Knife fights...

Toby Barrett Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 10:43 a.m. PST

I have no firm information but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they are a development of “The Rules With No Name” which were once freely available from the Foundry web site (Given the close links Warhammer Historical seem to have with Foundry).

If so, they could be none the worse for that. I have used TRWNN many times on a club night & they always give a fun game.

Guess we’ll have to wait & see. Definitely worth a look though.

Cheers

Toby

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 12:13 p.m. PST

Sorry, Toby, they're not. They are a modification of the LOTR rules, done by members of the GW Design Studio staff.

TRWNN remains my favorite for the period. For a commercial product, look at Flagship Games' "Gunfight!". Both reflect some knowledge of thae actual West, and are not just based on Hollywood stereotypes.

Allen

Toby Barrett Inactive Member15 Oct 2004 2:37 p.m. PST

Oh well. Thats a real shame & a missed opportunity.

Thanks for the tip though I'll check out "Gunfight!".

Regards

Toby

General Kirchner15 Oct 2004 3:04 p.m. PST

I think the LOTR rule swould be a good source, if ranged gunfire was improved over bowfire.

One of the cleaner rulesets IMHO.

I don't want Wild west scrums though.

Skeptic15 Oct 2004 6:57 p.m. PST

Let's just hope that they lose the rule about massed indirect archery fire or whatever monstrosity the equivalent would be with firearms ... ;-P


-Skeptic

John Leahy15 Oct 2004 10:26 p.m. PST

I agree with Naz. I'm not really thrilled with the LOTR rules. They're better than WHFB. TRWNN are the BEST set out there IMO. I'm sure these new rules will gather adherents like all of GW's do. But I happily stay with a real hombre's rule set there amigo!

:-)

Thanks,

John

nudspinespittle Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2004 5:47 a.m. PST

I'll get it for the piccies and play TRWNN.

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Probert24 Oct 2004 9:33 a.m. PST

How about a Roundup!

Who makes 28mm Old West figures?

I know Foundry has some, but that does me no good since I'm in the US and they don't sell them on this side of the pond.

What other companies produce quality figs?

nazrat Inactive Member24 Oct 2004 10:01 a.m. PST

Foundry are very nice, but West Wind has an exceptional line that is both well done and inexpensive. Plus all their packs come with both mounted and dismounted models of the same guy. I find this to be essential in playing Wild West games. The Great Rail Wars from Pinnacle are a personal Guilty Pleasure, but they are expensive (comparatively) and are so large that they are unplayable with other figures. I look forward to seeing Artizan's foray into this genre as well!

Probert25 Oct 2004 9:46 a.m. PST

Thanks nazrat.

So far we have Foundry, West Wind, Pinnacle and presumably Artizan. That cannot be all.

Come on y'all, round up them dogies.

DJButtonup Inactive Member25 Oct 2004 10:57 a.m. PST

I'll second the West Wind sets. They come with the mounted (seperate cast horse and rider) and dismounted version of two figures for about $10. I like the sculpts and they painted up really nice.

William Inactive Member25 Oct 2004 2:06 p.m. PST

Old Glory has some Old West in their line.

nazrat Inactive Member25 Oct 2004 11:27 p.m. PST

If there are more I sure can't think of any! It does seem somewhat surprising that there aren't more ranges in the Wild West genre.

tinned fruit Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2004 1:00 a.m. PST

Dixons do a great Gunfighter range including wagons and a stagecoach.

Mayhem Miniatures now owned by, I believe, Kennington Miniatures do a small but very good range.

hope this helps

4 TALOS Inactive Member27 Oct 2004 10:20 a.m. PST

Probert:Wrong,There are a multitude of Foundry fishes in the USA pond!Age of Glory offers all Foundry figures,as I recently ordered from them.I know it says Wholesale,but collectors can buy.They are trustworthy,& a pleasure to do business with!Ok Probert,round up the Posse,get those Foundry western outlaws---Dead or Alive!

thabear02 Nov 2004 1:00 p.m. PST

G'day ,"roundup, roundup lil' dawgies " from the land of Oz

Eureka Miniatures here in Australia does an excellent range of Mexican Bandit looking figures , and a group of Mexican peasants ( peones ?) armed with farming tools ,a sling and a few with rifles , after converting some of the peasants i have ended up with a nice Mexican Bandito looking gang in anticipation of these rules . check 'em out ( if there are pictures of course ) , cheers tom

John Leahy03 Nov 2004 11:53 p.m. PST

Revieresco does some Mexican Bandits.I own a bunch of them along with Foundry peasants. I love to run my games down Ol' Mexico way.

John

SabalomGlitz Inactive Member05 Nov 2004 7:32 a.m. PST

Are these rules out yet? If not do we have a street date?
I understand they are based on the LotR rules but has anyone actually seen/read the book or played the game yet?

richinq Inactive Member05 Nov 2004 10:20 a.m. PST

I have ordered these rules from my local game store, I hope they are out soon, Does anyone know about the combat.
The main thing is does it have the normal warhammer wounds or does it have hit locations?

Also isanyone starting a yahoo group for these rules?

Rich.

Marshal Sparks Inactive Member10 Nov 2004 11:12 a.m. PST

Hi there

I'm Mark Latham, the author of Legends of the Old West. I'm really pleased to see some positive comments about the book, and am thrilled with the final product, which I hope you will be too. Orders are already shipping for this book, so please buy it – it's my first core rulebook and it'll make me feel good ;)

Although I'm not a regular to this forum, I will pop back to this thread from time to time and maybe answer any big questions.

I may set up a Yahoo group for the rules over the next few weeks. This is not something I will be able to maintain on a regular basis due to work commitments (I'm just starting work on the first expansion 'Frontier: Blood on the Plains'), but I will appoint a couple of able deputies to moderate it for me.

Other stuff to look forward to – well there's a special future on the book in a forthcoming issue of Harbinger magazine, which will include an exclusive scenario and battle report.

That's all for now. I apologise if this seems like a shameless plug, but this book genuinely is a labour of love for me. It took two of us to make it from scratch - myself and Pete Borlace, graphic designer extraordinaire (who is the reason it looks so good). We poured in Herculean hours to get it finished, and now we're just hoping it sells so we can make the other two!

Happy trails, y'all

Mark

richinq Inactive Member11 Nov 2004 2:12 a.m. PST

Mark,

I am still waiting for the main rules but its good to see you are starting on a supplement.

Will this be larger battles?

I will buy it anyway.

Rich.

Marshal Sparks Inactive Member12 Nov 2004 4:20 a.m. PST

The Yahoo Group is up and running - spread the word ;)

LOTOldWest@yahoogroups.co.uk (The Old West)

richinq Inactive Member12 Nov 2004 5:09 a.m. PST

Mark,

I can not find the group can you please post a link.


Many thanks

Rich.

richinq Inactive Member12 Nov 2004 6:42 a.m. PST

I have found the link.


http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTOldWest/join

Rich.

Probert12 Nov 2004 9:06 a.m. PST

Mark,

I already oredered my copy from Brigade Games here in the States. I read a review of the game, and it was extremely positive. And I cannot wait to paint up some cowpokes, and my lil' Billy the Kid.

Greyalexis12 Nov 2004 10:27 a.m. PST

Mark Latham, cant seem to get to your yahoo link. do you have and example of play or turns?

AndyBrace Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 1:14 a.m. PST

I can't get the link to work either, also tried to search the address, could someone advise?

richinq Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 2:28 a.m. PST

I did a search on

LOTOldWest

and found the group

AndyBrace Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 6:11 a.m. PST

Still can't find the group, what search engine did you use?

Cheers

coopman17 Nov 2004 6:35 a.m. PST

Try here:

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTOldWest/

AndyBrace Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 8:24 a.m. PST

Still can't get to it, please give the full WWW address. Or what section is it under on yahoo.groups?

Thanks

No Name02 Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 8:56 a.m. PST

Ok folks, a friend is interested in purchasing these rules but I am against it based on playing LOTR a few times.

But it cannot be true that these rules are like LOTR? so I am asking owners of the rules what their opinions are.

How for instance are revolvers covered, how many shots compared to rifles, ranges, skill in fast draw for examples.

Are there rules for Indians?

richinq Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 9:07 a.m. PST

Andy,

I did my search from the yahoo groups page.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/

Rich

richinq Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 9:11 a.m. PST

Andy,

What i did to find the group first time was to dens an email to

LOTOldWest@yahoogroups.co.uk

This then sent an email back with a link to join the group.

Rich.

60th RAR Inactive Member17 Nov 2004 9:40 a.m. PST

No Indians Justin, they are to be dealt with in the second of three books. The third will deal with the Alamo and Texas War of Independence (!?!). I haven't read a copy yet, but my friend who has says they are heavily based on LoTR with a liberal sprinkling of Mordheim.

If you decide against them I would suggest Gunfight! by Flagship Games (www.flagshipgames.com).

Good luck pardner!

Aaron

nazrat Inactive Member18 Nov 2004 9:38 p.m. PST

Justin-- There are indeed revolvers, both sixguns and heavy revolvers, which you can fire normally OR you can "fan" them for six shots all at once. Rifles vary depending on if it is a musket, a regular one shot rifle, or a repeater. There are rules for both regular and sawed off shotguns, derringers, and even the Lemat revolver.


And this ain't your daddy's LOTR rules! You can hide, go prone, dive for cover, and leap onto horses or moving stagecoaches and the like. Weapons can jam or run out of ammo. Although the rules are IGOYOUGO, they have the Fate points that LOTR used with which you can interrupt your opponent's turn. Kind of like overwatch, I guess. The Campaign system is modified Mordheim, and it looks good as well. I was one of the first to post my doubts about how this game would work using the LOTR engine, but I have to say that it certainly LOOKS like it will work excellently! I'll probably get the figs painted by next week, so I will try and post up a battle report of our first game here in Charlotte, NC, if anybody is interested...

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