"Khurasan previews late 17th Century French " Topic

(Thought this might be of interest to 18th C gamers too.).

Here are the next sets of models in our new late 17th century range, the French infantry.

There are seven poses of musketeers (four shooting and three march attack), two pikeman poses, and three command, including a commander in a breastplate.

There were several distinctive French uniform traits which we've had represented here, notably the cuff being fairly high up the sleeve, with material below to simulate an exposed shirt, and the shoulder ribbons as well.

These figures have the more modern jacket but have the uncocked hat and still wear bandoliers, so are suitable up until the time of the Nine Years War.

Also previewed here is our field piece for the range, which will come complete with four crew.

These join our popular 17th century Hungarians, the first release in this range. They will be followed by more Europeans and by Ottomans. Updates coming!

Very nice indeed.

Beautiful!

very nice!

Beautiful sculpts! I have lots of Venexia, but now I want these too….

Very nice figures. You need a marching pike (with upright weapons) to go along with the marching musketeers. I don't find the pike at 45 degrees very practical for wargaming.

Will the pikemen be available open-handed as well, like the TYW range? The scale of the pikes in the photos seems to be quite a bit off.

Thanks,

ilodic.

Yeah, those pikes and flag poles make them look a bit like caber-s!

Pity about the un-necessary bleep! in the previous comment.

More seriouslt, I understood that the shoulder ribbons came about in rememberence of French troops hurriedly dressing when attacked in camp at Steenkirk. Many whent into action with their cravats askew and on their shoulder.

If this tale is correct, the shoulder ribbons would not be seen until after this 1692 battle.

Believe you're referring to the "Steinkirk," which was a military fashion until the 1720s. It was a neck cloth wrapped once around the neck, very loosely knotted, then tucked into the coat or waistcoat. It is alleged to have been the manner in which the surprised French troops quickly donned their cravats at the battle. It was not worn on the shoulder.

Rene Chartrand's book on Louis XIV's army shows the infantry wearing shoulder ribbons in the 1680s as well.

I'm going to use these are late 17th century Danes, as they had the fake cuff at mid-forearm as well.

Just shave off the shoulder ribbon and you've got some great Danes.

as they had the fake cuff at mid-forearm as well.

Those aren't "fake cuffs", they are the actual coat sleeves turned back to the elbow. What you see below them are the sleeves of the shirt. There are actual, surviving coats (justaucorps) of the period in several museums. And the ribbons on the shoulder date from the 1670's, way before Steinkirk (using any spelling).

Khurasan – When will these be available for sale and what's the proposed ETA on Cavalry to accompany them?

Bill
Sir William the Aged
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Hi William, yes it started that way, but eventually the coat was manufactured with a fake shirtsleeve sewn in. Eventually it was abandoned.

I recently reread an old article about the Battle of Steenkirke by Wally Hearl. He decribes various new fashions to which the name Steenkirke were applied:

The name 'Steenkirke Cravat' actually applies to the wearing of the cravat, not overflowing from the throat, with the knot hidden, but from it being worn on the side of the neck, with the knot visible and the ends resting on the left shoulder. This is how the Bourbonais wore their caravats when they got back to camp.

(He doesn't say it is a military fashion.)

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers